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1)You said I made 15 comments. I want your explanation on that exaggerated count

2. i want you to list all 15 logical fallacies you said I made.

3. You said asking you to define what "failure" means to you is "directly out of the fascist and conservative playbook". Give me examples of fascists and conservatives asking for that clarification.

4. you said I need to provide proof. Sure, what proof would you like?

I want answers to those questions but I'll continue explaining my point that you clearly missed.

I need a metric of what is and isn't a failure from the people disagreeing because otherwise there's nothing to say. Right now there are plenty of reputable news sources saying low turnout but no real hard numbers and honestly when numbers do come out they will be estimating. Does that count?

Let's assume an exact count tho, I'll make up numbers to illiterate the problem with your arguments. Let's pretend they are accurate .

100,000 people. Is that a failure or a success?

What about 10,000?

What about 1,000,000?

That's just people who attended and maybe you're counting people who watched at home?

150,000 hypothetical people watched at home let's say. Is that a failure or a success?

That's the point you are purposely turning away from. When we say it was a failure we mean it was significantly less viewers than anticipated and significantly less than other major parades.

What are you asking for? What's your metric? That isn't an unreasonable question it's vital for this discussion. What are you asking for?

I've offered proof you haven't been able to articulate what proof you want.

I haven't claimed anything. i don't think I've even called it a failure.

I have plenty of proof tho. What proof would you like?

Let me try an illustrative example:

Prove to me the planet Jupiter is huge

That leaves the question "what proof are you asking for exactly?! What's needed to prove huge to you? What are the goal posts and I can provide information to prove it's huge... If I only have "prove it" I'm not sure what to hand you...

That's how it gets silly

"The parade was a failure"

"Prove it"

"What exactly do you want proven? Failure is an opinion so what's the metric we are working worth? What proves a failure of a parade? I mean it was viewed by significantly less people than the Macy's day parade? I hated the idea of the parade and complained it was happening but somehow still forgot it was happening at all... Does being forgettable count as failure ? It had less turnout than expected... Is that a failure? It cost millions of dollars and even the people arguing it wasn't a failure admit they didn't watch it or care it happened at all... Is that failure?

What exactly do you want proven? I'll prove it I just need to know what I'm researching for you?

It's exactly your job to define failure. You asked for proof. Tell me what proof looks like. What do you consider proof?

I never once asked you for evidence. That's a flat out lie. I asked for parameters. What do want as evidence? What do you consider proof to be? What numbers do you consider shows a failed parade?

It's very simple. You don't even have to research. It's entirely your opinion I'm asking for. Not proof. Wheres the goal post? It's a reasonable question.

Let me cut thru the fat and just explain why your argument is ridiculous. I'll put politics and jokes aside.

I love a battle semantics more than most. I once brought a $100 dictionary to my HOA pool to explain "dusk" to the security guard.

Let me explain why your argument is silly.

You want numbers to prove it was a failure, correct?

Okay. We will have them in a couple days when they are available. However in the meantime YOU need to define your parameters if you are going to argue. What exactly is a "failure" to you? How little viewing/attendance is the threshold for this argument? When is a parade a failure exactly?

If you want to argue what is or isn't a failed parade and you want proof... Fine, but we need your goal posts, we need to know you describe as a failed parade because numbers are just numbers. What's your metric?

You seem to have a lot of opinions about a parade you didn't watch and don't care about.

I read your comment and I feel you. I have a little advice.

First a but about memI "left" reddit for the same reasons. Left is in quotes because I was permanently banned because I argued with a major mod. Specifically I said after they banned me from a sub "ouch ouch ouch, sorry sprained my ankle tripping over 3 identical communities" to which they replied "don't message me again" and I of course did with a "or what? You'll silence me? That's not very intimidating"

Anyway my point is this:

There's no point in arguing with stupid people.... But if you are going to I recommend being dismissive or different. They are prepared for aggression they can't handle being dismissed. It really messes with bigoted people especially.

An example from my life

Guy at the gas station to me: can you believe the cashier is speaking Spanish? This is America lol

Me: it's 7 o'clock in the morning. Can you save the racism until after breakfast please.

An example of "different " would be this

I live in Orlando, we have Nazis who protest. I LOVE to walk by and say to a random one "you don't look good bald. You're heads too boxy to pull it off"

It fucks with them more than yelling I promise you lol. They aren't expecting that kind of thing.

What was your favorite part of the parade?

How much of the parade did you watch? I watched none. I think most of America will say they didn't even bother to turn on the tv, most probably forgot it was happening at all.

Compare that to the Macy's day parade. It was a failure. He wanted it to be a big deal, it absolutely was not a big deal. Failure.

What time is it?

Please be pedantic. I enjoy it. That isn't sarcasm, I love a good "technically...."

Yes you're right. It is fun to think about tho.