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I think lockdowns definitely fried some brains.
Lol, love seeing chud convoy talking points here on hexbear.
Was it getting infected with a disease that causes brain damage 4 or 6 or 8 times already, watching their parents and guardians do nothing but feed them back into the meat grinder so they could go back to work?
No, it was the month they did remote school two years ago.
i mean the remote school went for a very long time from March 2020 until end of 2021 and early 2022. staying inside all the time could indeed change people's perceptions. like how most people don't even have proper timeline of events during lockdowns because of lack of anchor points.
Was it getting infected with a disease that causes brain damage 4 or 6 or 8 times already
yea i didnt say actual covid caused brain damage didnt make it worse.
watching their parents and guardians do nothing but feed them back into the meat grinder so they could go back to work?
what are you supposed to do? work went back to 'normal' before schooling did.
edit: i think people on this site look at western lockdowns during March 2020 and government assistance given during that time and think 'pog' but people's experience with lockdowns weren't the same in the Global South because there was no welfare or stimulus checks because of World Bank/IMF imposed deficit constraints. Many global south countries still haven't recovered from it (K Shape Recovery).
Maybe in some places lockdown went on for that long, but many places (including here) it was all of a few weeks and yet these problems are seemingly universal across the west (or at least North America).
It's the same as the argument that rampant sickness is from immunity debt. If the damage came from lockdowns, why is it just as bad or worse in areas that didn't have lockdowns or had short lockdowns? It's because it's being caused by COVID.
Not assigning blame to working parents who had no choice, just explaining how a stark early lesson in the capitalist meat grinder might change how you think.
Yeah whenever people talk about the “problems caused by lockdowns” my response is “what lockdowns”
The “lockdown” here started on March 17th, 2020. By May pretty much everything was open, including bars. Schools reopened with the new school year, with a mask requirement (only thanks to the county going against the state’s ban on mask requirements for schools) that ended by the end of December.
They did nothing to improve ventilation, space requirements, etc. and obviously COVID spread rapidly in schools immediately. These kids just had an early end to the school year and then saw their parents thrown to the meat grinder before being shoved into one themselves. Oh and when they went back the school shootings went right back to higher than ever before.
One of the main reasons “kids are so bad now” is they literally don’t see a future, they’ve seen how little their lives are valued and while the kindergarteners may not understand climate change, middle and high schoolers definitely do and are staring down the barrel of it going “Oh none of this matters”
We shouldn't allow our understanding of phenomena to be determined purely by our opposition to the ideas of specific groups of people. That is basically the way in which chuds and to a lesser extent libs approach their analysis, and it's part of why they end up with such an incoherent understanding of things.
It's pretty clear that the need to socially isolate from one another for months at a time during the early period of covid had effects upon people. These have been shown in academic and governmental research. Hell, the entire experience of the pandemic was extremely traumatising imo. To be open to the idea that lockdowns had effects upon people's mental health, or upon the development of children (particularly young children for whom a few months is a significant period of their lives) is not to say that the lockdowns weren't necessary. But to deny any effects because you recognise that there was a need for lockdowns but see such a recognition as a chud talking point is ultimately to engage in the same kind of anti-scientific thinking as anti-lockdown chuds
I will say that lockdowns definitely affected my brother and I. My family was pro lockdown, even when our society wasn’t, so we self quarantined for a year and a half, starting halfway through my senior year of highschool and ending my sophomore year of college. In my case, I missed everything freshmen use to get acclimated to campus, and lost all social intellect. It took until this year and a lot of therapy to regain some modicum of self respect, and even then I’m not to where I used to be. As for my brother, he missed all the same things but for middle-high school, and he became a germaphobe who could not leave the house. He’s since been diagnosed with ADHD-OCD.
Average rent, 2000: $602
Average teacher salary, 2000: $41,807
Median house price, 2000: $119,600
Months to save difference between recommended housing budget (30% of gross) and rent to afford 20% down-payment:
(119600*.2)/((41807/12)*.3-602) = 54. If your 5-year plan is to have a house, you get there 6 months early (not really; teachers start at a lower wage)
Average rent, 2023: $1372
Average teacher salary, 2023: $66,745
Median house price, 2023: 430,300
Same calculation:
(430300*.2)/((66745/12)*.3-1372) = 290.
It's far harder to let some asshole kid push you over the edge when you're on the path to home ownership versus when that's either never going to happen or decades away.
As a teacher, I think this sort of doomerism about adolescents is both pointless and overblown.
Covid frying brains + kids wondering what the point of education is because there are no jobs + lib teachers not knowing how to deal with fascists or communists + teachers being terrified of losing their jobs if they say that Columbus wasn’t a saint (for instance).
I don’t see how so many people are saying this. My wife is dealing with similar problems with children as young as 4 they don’t know how to write their names let alone know what anything you’re describing even is.
Wouldn’t this be covered under covid frying people’s brains? Or are their parents too desperate and exhausted from working all the time to teach their kids to read?
From what I understand it is pretty typical for these kids to not know how to write their names yet. Like the curriculum is very much still “this is the color blue” “it is now nap time”. You still have to do everything for them they are basically still babies. But that wasn’t the point I was making I can see how that would be confusing because of the way I wrote it. It is not the fact that they can’t write their names that is concerning, it is the behavioral issues that are clearly present in kids this young because they are issues that are directly related to being born around the time lockdowns were occurring. I’ve written some of them out in other comments ITT.
I do a little work with dogs on the side and lockdown puppies often have behavioural issues
Makes sense to me. What have you noticed?
just badly socialised, more aggressive to unfamiliar men than usual. (not that surprising animals get more aggressive when scared and are often more likely to view men as a threat)
bullying smaller dogs because they couldn't be socialised as puppies etc
A lot of the same then. Some kids have fear of strangers even if it’s just a new student while others are more physically aggressive towards others and the staff. The general consensus is that this year has been the worst class the school has seen.
It's a really hard and stressful job and you get paid really badly for it. I haven't watched the video and maybe it's just a clickbait title, but the generational framing here seems unhelpful and misleading. Teaching has had a very high percentage of people leaving the profession for a number of years now. The reason is that teachers are underpaid, overworked and honestly underappreciated. This has only gotten worse and worse as neoliberal reforms have restructured both the profession and society. That might create the appearance of 'teachers can't stand the new kinds of young people we have now', but that isn't the underlying reason for people leaving the profession
I often try to reframe the same thinking when my mother complaints about her students. It is true that for the last 2-3 years though that the kids had an especially bad behavioral track, but with the new class the consensus seems to be more that they're better behaved in a general sense. I also try to point out that her generational framing is inaccurate since they're literally children and children of any generation can be absolutely awful. I also try to point out that in general most of the families that "aren't involved" likely aren't lazy, but instead overwhelmed with keeping above water that enforcing education becomes a lot more difficult.
Then there's the job itself, she's usually putting in 10 hours a day at school, brings home work some times, they don't get the planning periods they need, shortstaffing sometimes requires them to cover other teachers' classes, the special education department was gutted with them mainlining all but the most disabled of those students, they're constantly making changes in processes that really have no need beyond some administrator looking like they're doing something which leads to things needing complete reworks, when administration comes around they'll either spout out empty platitudes or just mostly ignore anything of import, administration will tear teachers down for not being a textbook teacher, and it goes on and on with stuff I don't see coming home. For all of this, my mother hasn't gotten a raise in like a decade now, she's at the top of the pay scale and at best she gets cost of living increases that maybe amount to a few hundred a year. I make more than her at the bottom of most nursing pay scales. When I first started at the hospital I made 28/hr, I make 40/hr outside of the hospital and make more than my mother that works more than I do because she's salaried. She also has way more qualifications than I do, I have a 2 year degree, she's Masters+.
All this is to say that in a similar fashion, I saw the video, thought the framing was reductive, and didn't click. Maybe they explain it better, but the generational framing when there's so much more to it, even if just clickbait, means that they're not properly looking at the underlying problems.
Completely! The demands made on teachers are completely untenable. My ex worked in a primary school and they would go to work at 7am, get home at 8pm, and then work the whole of Sunday doing marking/prep. They ended up leaving the profession because the stress made it physically impossible for them to continue. Most public sector workers are compensated appallingly, especially when you consider how important the work they do is. It's such a waste of resources to spend all this money and time training people for a profession only to place them in conditions where 50% burn out within 5 years. The Graeber argument about the inverse relationship between the usefulness of labour and its compensation feels so accurate
The YT comments complain/mention everything but that the system in which the parents exist they are workers first, child makers second, and actual child rearers a distant third.
you simply can't have widespread failure of the system without it being a problem of the system
I'm not sure I follow...
if people en masse fail to use the system properly then the system should have accounted for that. For example if a business requires you to make all orders by app but no one does and they all try and order at the counter the system is wrong and just needs to let them order at the counter. The system should be designed to fit the reality of how people try and use it
If we relly on parents to help their kids with their homework and teach them to read but parents are in large numbers either too tired or just not interested enough to do so then we need some kind of after school state funded program to do it.
The fact that conservative erosion of the US' education system has continued unabated throughout my entire lifetime makes me want to roll over and crumble to dust, but that's not a thing I can do
school system is fucked up from cuts. Don't entirely agree with the way the song puts it but it's the rough idea
real uptick in gangs grooming children to sell drugs lately too
We need a site wide rule against this generation xyzwuh bullshit tbh, i mean look at this thread.
Lockdowns may be part of it, but I think that like nurses, teachers are collectively hitting a breaking point of being underpaid and understaffed where a lot of them just don't see the career as viable anymore.
The lockdowns caused a lot of stress, with people being put out of work and all sorts of shit we didn't deal with in a good way. All public help was temporary and never guaranteed in the first place. Rich people got a lot of free money in forgiven loans, though, so... cool?
Anywhere form 1-2 million people in the US died, 1 million are officially covid plus another million or so excess deaths, and several more million were disabled or got hit with severe long term health issues. Do you think having something like that happen to a caregiver would improve or hurt academic performance?
This includes a lot of teachers, as people who work with the public were hit pretty hard. Basically everyone who works a public job has been pushed to do more with less across the board, because there has been less workers to go around. If the bosses think they can get away with less workers they'll work you more until things start failing. "Aw shucks, it's a shame you have to do the job of three people, but nobody wants to work anymore. :(" This might be a bigger problem with GOP dominated states because they actually want public schools to fail.
Covid also causes brain damage and we are mass exposing kids to it, who then expose their families to it, thinking it's NBD because it's relatively rare for them to die from it. Who cares, whatever, it's just a cold. What would mass brain damage in kids look like anyway? Behavior problems? Memory problems? Impossible to say. What even is brain damage, anyway? They probably just need some tough love.
Also, If you look at the stats, some states did better than others, it doesn't necessarily show the lockdowns themselves caused all the problems. IIRC, Florida was doing worse than California in terms academic scores, even though Florida ended the lockdowns ASAP. California scores improved slightly during lockdowns. Every state had to scramble and had to figure something out with little guidance and some of them did poorly.
teachers are just tired
Is it the system that's problematic and needs reforms? No, it's the children that are wrong!
Here's how GenZ and Gen Alpha are killing Gen X industries.
Probably a number of factors. City schools are experiencing this more than suburban schools. Budget cuts, lockdowns stressing a sector already on shaky legs, and the routine switch-up had a big impact on a lot of young people. Not even them, plenty of adults seem to have been psychologically damaged by the lockdowns.
Will this become evened out by future generations that didn't experience lockdown? Maybe. But there's still the lingering issue of budget cuts and the presence of far-right movements in school boards.
Overworked parents that are forced to spend more time finding the means to provide for their children than actually raising them.
I think unrestricted early access to technology exacerbates it a lot. I had an iPad by the time I was in 3rd grade, but my parents limited my use, and there weren't as many dopamine frying apps. A lot of exhausted parents today will let their kid spend hours at a time on their tablet; and it's not like making kids play outside is common anymore in an unwalkable country that fear mongers kids getting kidnapped the second they're away from their parents
I vividly remember being a kid, and hearing liberal politicians promising to stop monster class sizes of 25 kids to a room from ever happening.
My children are in school now, and their classes are regularly 40+ kids. Good work, libs.
