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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"what the fuck is 'water'?" smoking-fish

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Dee Eff Dubya

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"You think you can beat me." Smug smile widens. "Do you even think that's air you're breathing?"

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago (1 children)

capitalism has gotten so evil and indefensible that its supporters have fallen to the level of denying that it as a system even exists and so no criticism against it is valid at all

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

There is a spectre not haunting the world

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 years ago

i-think-that I am against the vacuum of space

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago

Important insight into the liberal mind. They literally believe that Capitalism is just what you get when there's no rules at all (ie. True Freedom™) and Communism is when there's rules and government and shit.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Even aside from the capitalism nonsense, wtf is going on in this guy's head?

So you can't be against the absence of for example justice, because that's the exact same as saying you're against freezing temperatures or darkness, since they're all the absence of something?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago

wtf is going on in this guy's head?

"I'm so frickin smart dude holy shit"

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

Combo of smuglord and this pit

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

also you obviously can think it's too cold and dark

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Capitalist brainworms There were literally major strikes this year caused by the absence of good working conditions.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Unfortunately the idea that capitalism is made-up isn't new. It's something libertarians say. To them, socialists made up capitalism to couch their own political ideology. If the modern world is based on human nature, if economic laws are eternal and automatic, then there is no "ism", it's just what must happen, and therefore anything else (like socialism) is false and contrived.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

lmao, this is exactly the same as when American Christian fundamentalists argue that Christianity isn't a religion but all the other religions are

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

WHAT lmao I havent seen that one either.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In footnote 34 of Capital vol 1 Marx quotes himself in this passage from The Poverty of Philosophy:

"Economists have a singular method of procedure. There are only two kinds of institutions for them, artificial and natural. The institutions of feudalism are artificial institutions, those of the bourgeoisie are natural institutions. In this, they resemble the theologians, who likewise establish two kinds of religion. Every religion which is not theirs is an invention of men, while their own is an emanation from God. When the economists say that present-day relations – the relations of bourgeois production – are natural, they imply that these are the relations in which wealth is created and productive forces developed in conformity with the laws of nature. These relations therefore are themselves natural laws independent of the influence of time. They are eternal laws which must always govern society. Thus, there has been history, but there is no longer any. There has been history, since there were the institutions of feudalism, and in these institutions of feudalism we find quite different relations of production from those of bourgeois society, which the economists try to pass off as natural and as such, eternal."

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

It is amazing how many current debates this Marx guy was able to anticipate.

Maybe he was on to something right?? marx-guns-blazing

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It was something about how atheism, science and other religions are beliefs but Christianity isn't because it's the truth or whatever the twisted logic pretzel was

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Grew up in the Evangelical church - the way they always explained it to us is that it's not a religion (which is a dogmatic set of beliefs that one only obey because they are told to), but rather it's a personal relationship with Jesus, and you do the things he tells you to do only because you love him so much.

It also opens the door for some weird loopholes for dealing with apostates, since if you stop doing the things they tell you to, you must not truly have loved Jesus to begin with.

It really feels like they've honed the edge of the mind virus extra razor-sharp. Lots of wacky thought-terminating logic structures, kinda cool if it weren't so devious.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Centrist liberals excels at this at well. How often have you heard drivel like "ideologies are bad!" or "we just listen to the experts!"?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Media bias sites that treat centrism as neutrality.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

real capitalism has never been tried!!!

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Capitalism is a strawman is the ultimate evolution of reddit brain.

We must counter it with "communism is whataboutism"

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is this bot coded into the site? It's so fast to react to whataboutism

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago

Whataboutism? What about deez nuts?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This guy's right, rather than naming something and talking about it we should call every present ruling ideology "the current system" and all past ruling ideologies ""the current system"". That makes much more sense.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

there's no such thing as society, after all

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago

It's like saying you're against the vacuum of space..

Hows'about'ya step into this here airlock... absolutely-safe-capsule

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Liberals obviously have no grasp of reality, but libertarians and ancaps take it to an entirely different level lol

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

amazing! all the encoding of communication, with none of that pesky 'meaning'

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

Jeff is back. He still hasn’t heard of The Wall Street Journal, read by capitalists, socialists, communists, the Amish, drug traffickers, et. al.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Fuck you I hate space! Fight me!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

How can capitalism be real if our eyes aren’t real thonk

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I am quite certain that the vacuum of space is thoroughly permeated by various fields and filled with unfathomable numbers of short lived virtual particles. I am pretty sure it has been experimentally shown that the vacuum can exert a force, entirely on its own? It is for these reasons that I am against the vacuum of space!

https://physicsworld.com/a/the-casimir-effect-a-force-from-nothing/

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When you take the phrase "Marx was formulating a criticism of society, starting with capital" entirely the wrong way.

Is that what happens when liberals read theory?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

It's what happens when you get your theory from the Rand institute

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

So many words just to say "capitalism is a spook."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

The opposite of "Everything is a social construct". "Everything that isn't a social construct isn't actually really". Antimaterialism as dogma.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The thing is, he's sort of right. Capitalism was defined by its detractors describing what was around them. You can absolutely be against the current order of things, whether you describe it under a term "capitalism" or not.

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