If God can exist without a creator, why not everything else?
Boomers and their imaginary arguments
this post was submitted on 24 Nov 2023
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Did you ever see a car assemble itself during a tornado? CAN A DOG PRODUCE A NON-DOG?!? Pinecones don’t make elephants!!
I know it's a joke... buuuut...
I really, really want to send this as a reply to the person who posted this, but she used to work with me and she’s still friends with a bunch of people there. It’s not worth the workplace awkwardness.
I’m not saying you should, but if she gets offended by that then it’s her own problem.
She made a snarky post, you left an equally snarky response. If she can’t handle rational responses, then don’t post irrational claims.
But idk… Maybe she’s a snowflake
Isn't "not handling rational responses to irrational claims" the basis of religion?
In my experience many religious people have a very entitled attitude about this, where they can assert their delusions as reality publicly but anyone who calls out their bullshit is spewing hate speech.
And if they can’t bring down some kind of authority, they’ll work in secret combinations to fuck around with you (the sheer irony)
It's particularly frustrating that the unreasonable people get to set the level of discourse simply by lacking in self-awareness or tact.
Truth. Which is why I’m working to be as unreasonable as they are, but in the right direction
Goddamn I hate the “we can agree to disagree, so long as my side is the culturally acceptable one that we can advocate for in the office, but yours is HR hate speech” attitude so many religious people have
Can you post it anonymously?
Don't. Don't push your ideology on people even if they do. Be better.
Plus, there is no point in arguing about religion with a religious person, their belief is not rooted in logic and reason, so logic and reason won't change their minds. Just let them be and live your life however you prefer.
So they're saying their god is like a small child with nothing better to do on a snowy day, who will stop caring about you as you melt away into oblivion?
Because I'm not sure that's a very convincing argument in favor of their god.
It seems pretty accurate to the claims, though. Laryngeal nerve comes to mind.
God was created by man.
Man made God in his image
And often with less effort than some snowmen took
There was a religious sect around the 3rd century CE that thought this in a literal sense.
That there was an original spontaneously existing man which in turn brought forth the creator of a copy of the earlier universe to which it was effectively God.
(No, this is not Gnosticism, even though it has similar elements and was at a similar time. In that belief system there's a Monad creator behind everything which created the forms being copied as well as the demiurge.)
It's one of the dumber arguments religious people make.
You realize what is created by a creator by contrasting it with what you see in nature. You know a watch is created, because nothing like it exists in nature nor can it reproduce on its own.
Humans on the other hand are just like any other of the billions of animals. We're not special.
And further to the point, imagine we were created and designed, what a shitty ass designer created us?? Short lifespan, useless at birth, susceptible to all kinds of diseases, weak unless in a group and our pleasure organs are mixed with our waste disposal organs.
If that's not the shittiest design I've ever seen, I don't know what is.
But, hey, they made sure they didn't forget the built-in combat drugs so we're all much better at being nice to each other and shit ^(/s)
It’s turtles all the way up
Let’s goooo Native American creation storiez
I don't think you're understanding the reference. It comes from Hindu creation mythology. But only out of convenience' sake.
Very relatedly, it's also contained in an anecdote Bertrand Russell reportedly experienced.
I like The Discworld interpretation. As Terry Pratchett notes, the Turtle is capable of swimming through the aether of space, hence doesn't need to be on anything.
I've heard it attributed to multiple people, going all the way back to Thomas Henry Huxley, so who knows?
I think the truth lies in the middle
https://ltbbodawa-nsn.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/The-Creation-Story-Turtle-Island.pdf
Edit: and here’s another for good measure
https://deadlystory.com/page/culture/articles/World_s_Indigenous_Peoples_Day/Turtle_Island
It was me. Sorry for the inconveniences, I hope you have a great continuation of your day.
Downvoted because existing sucks
I upvoted you because I know it's the only good thing in your life.