Libs get real offended if you just flatly say that Israel does not have a right to defend itself.
Yes, obviously, what Israel is now doing is in no way defensive but taking their dishonest framing and directly rejecting it is good too.
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israel doesn't even have the right to exist
My absolute favorite is to hit them with even more religious bullshit. "As a devout Catholic I cannot deny Jesus of Nazareth is the rightful King of Israel and his kingdom will reign through the hearts of all; it transcends borders, language and culture. To acknowledge another Israel would be against the practice of the church."
papistry 
I'd stay away from using catholic doctrine to justify opposition to Zionism.
Like, the material is absolutely there, but that's mainly because for the last thousand years it was the primary ideological basis for European antisemitism.
Libs get real offended if you just flatly say that Israel does not have a right to defend itself.
liberal discourse about "rights" always misses the point anyway. Israel has always used the idea that it guarantees more "democratic rights" than the surrounding Arab states as evidence that it has 
SVPERIOR CVLTVRE 
etc. etc.
Israel has the power to defend itself. Where does it get that power? From the imperial core states (especially NATO/EU members) pouring money into it. Why do they do that? Because settler colonies are forward operating bases for imperial core capitalists. You can set up a situation where people have "equal rights" on paper, but in practice, violence decides what the actual material conditions are. Segregation in the united states always claimed to be "separate but equal" even as black people were made to suffer systemic discrimination (and continue to be made to suffer obviously)
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thinking about those videos of huge crowds of settlers at Ben Gurion queueing to flee to where their other passport is from
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my opinion about israel is the same as my opinion about the US 
marg bar, as the kids say
It's a fun thing to say, I'm sure. But it honestly upsets me to see others so willingly and happily wish death upon others. I don't actually wish death on anyone, it's just a sad and unfortunate necessity because oppressors like Israel and the US make it the only means of self-defence.
i agree the "1000 october 7s" aka 1.2 million dead people part is concerning me a bit, even if it's hyperbole. like, we can recognize violence is often a necessary means to liberation without rooting for maximum violence?
It's a cope. The necessary violence is really hard psychologically, people loop around to becoming hyperviolent as a way to deal with it.
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i agree the "1000 october 7s" aka 1.2 million dead people
dead settlers
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Yeah, comments like that just make liberal psychos feel more justified calling the left pro-hamas instead of pro-palestine. I don't think it's particularly productive.
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The way our ghouls are behaving about this, it's gonna be hard to say we don't deserve whatever 
happens next
send the green parts back to northwest eurasia
west eurasian peninsula dwellers be like: 
Unlimited 9/11s on the first world
Unlimited 10/7s on the Zionist entity
Unlimited 1/6s on dork libs
no more half measures walter
idk why I don't hear anybody saying this but "from the river to the sea" is compatible with a one state solution of reintegration a la South Africa. Yes there will be internal violence. Yes the settlers will run and hide in gated communities within gated communities. Yes it will take over 100 years to become something resembling a normal country.
You’re cute for thinking that the solution for Israel will be as mild as it was for South Africa. The settlers will be removed and that won’t be pretty, they cannot exist peacefully with the Palestinians they treated as subhuman for more than 80 fucking years, it’s worse than South Africa, Apartheid pales in comparison to what’s happening in Palestine, Palestine is the equivalent of an open air concentration camp. And after that the Americans are next on the chopping block in terms of decolonial struggle and they will probably get nuked if I’m making predictions here. The future is going to be violent, as communists we can only assume world war three is inevitable and we should take individual action to insulate ourselves from the literal fallout. Comrades, I have a bunker full of beans, if you ask nicely, you can have them.
it’s worse than South Africa, Apartheid pales in comparison to what’s happening in Palestine, Palestine is the equivalent of an open air concentration camp
Fully agree this is far more extreme than South Africa, plus South Africa was <15% white, while a one state Palestine would be around 50% Jewish (and far more Palestinians than Israelis are under 18). Imo, the ideal coexistence would be administered by an eastern/global southern power, but however it's brought about, you'd need to abolish the current fascist "law of return" and give the Palestinian diaspora (over 6 million people, mostly in Jordan and Syria) right of return, reparations, etc.
Obviously deport all first generation settlers (>20% of Israel's current population) back to America and Europe, but it gets more complicated for a lot of people born there, and wouldn't really solve much imo. For one, roughly half or more of Israeli Jews are Arab Jews/Mizrahi (which would surprise some people seeing how white their government is). This is largely because, 1) intermarriage between Ashkenazis and Mizrahis has become common (if one of your parents are Ashkenazi and another Mizrahi, you're just considered Mizrahi), and 2) immigration, coercion, and kidnapping of Arab Jews from other countries was a big thing.
Mizrahis are indigenous to the Middle East, but they've essentially had their culture stolen and been forcibly assimilated. So "deporting all settlers" wouldn't solve much and would be pretty complicated to define. While Mizrahis aren't settlers, they've been indoctrinated their entire lives in the same way Ashkenazi Israelis are, and even attempt to prove themselves to the settlers by being even more fascist in a lot of cases. So unfortunately, any resistance and violence from settlers would be equally if not more likely from indigenous Mizrahis either way.
As sick and fascist as the Zionist entity is, I don't think South Africa style reintegration is a pipe dream. You have a lot of examples in history of this, look at reconciliation after the Rwandan genocide for one.
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To me the true tragedy is if Mesopotamia and the Levant formed into one nation like the Arabs in the area wanted, we would have Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine all as one nation. Even if 7 million Jews moved there, they would not be able to dominate their partitioned region. The colonial mandates of the late 19th century and early 20th century is what caused this violence, now we’re just going to live it out until the status quo can eventually change. May the communists win this century
It always goes back to the British 
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From every river to every sea Palestine will be free
From the Nile to the Pacific 
From the river to the sea!
Two things I hate are colonialism and the influence of American Evangelical eschatology on geopolitics. Guess where both overlap
Bring back downvotes because jesus christ, this thread isn't doing anything except wasting anima into terminally online , self-righteous navel gazing. Listen OP, I have had to grapple and coming to terms with America massacring millions of my people but signing every one of your posts and comments with "death to America" regardless of how just it might be in intent or how you mean it, simply comes across as provocatively inflammatory and trying to get rise out of others. If someone acted like you posted, I'd think they were a fed, or they were a late teen channelling some other source of repent energy into this. Its a red flag either way, and I'm not sure at all what it does. No Palestinians or Middle Easterners I know have the opinion you quoted, even as aggrieved as they are.
nah it's not really that deep. i just fuckin hate america
Death to America
Imagine choosing "Death to America" as the thing to get upset about. Fuck you.
Death to America
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