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Funny aside, ziq hates me :D

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Why are you seriously posting something from ziq, a person that hates you?

Anyways, why are you taking anything he says seriously?

I just read the first few paragraphs, which include an ahistorical description of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, ignores the CIA's operations in Afghanistan before 1979 (which they have admitted to themselves) and cites an American professor living in South Korea whose entire job is to write propaganda about North Korea, propaganda which his own peers in the USA and South Korea have criticized and called absurd.

There is little of value here, this is the ramblings of someone that throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks. This is not anarchist theory. The first few paragraphs are less factual than the average descriptions of history that you'd see on liberal/capitalist media or get in a high school history class.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is "theory" that I only ever see vaushites sharing going "hmmm interesting"

Do you want to actually change the existing order? What we have now is violent and authoritarian, replacing it will also be violent and authoritarian.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago

Even people that watch vaush and get their leftist theory from Youtube probably think parts of the first few paragraphs of this article are bogus. You'd literally get a more factual description of history from your average high school history class.

[–] db0 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then you'll end up with a violent and authoritarian society, so nothing has ultimately changed.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

All revolutions are, are you going to manifest a wish into reality?

[–] db0 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Sorry but revolutions do not necessary have to be authoritarian

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago (49 children)

Your enemies are also violent authoritarians, how do you propose that a nonviolent nonauthoritarian revolution protect what gains it has and resist organized violence without some level of "authoritarianism" literally every example of revolutions (anarchists and otherwise) have this feature, or they fail.

I don't consider needing to make a unified front nearly as authoritarian as the everyday violence under capitalism.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Another "both-sides" banger by ziq.

“Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce.”

This is a useless definition of fascism. It describes basically any existing political-economic system. Even an anarchist system falls under it. Unless your anarchist system wouldn't maintain a monopoly on political power, forcibly suppress people trying to destroy it, and not have control over industry and commerce?

I don't really know where to begin with this essay. To try to take it apart point by point would take ages and it just hits on all the same points that liberals do anyway (and uses the same sources). I'm just tired of fighting with anarchist comrades. Maybe when the struggle gets to the point that this shit actually matters we can try to resolve our contradictions. Until then I'm fine working with anarchists in actual real life work that matters.

Funny aside, ziq hates me :D

Yeahh, zig hates everyone btw lol. They're one of those ridiculous "anti-civ" "anarchists" who basically exist solely online. Have you read their essays where they advocate for ending organized agriculture and returning to a hunter-gatherer subsistence lifestyle? Lmao

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When the revolution comes, you will be forced to eat your veggies and go to bed at a reasonable hour

[–] db0 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'll rather die before I eat my veggies!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (10 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (6 children)

You made an irreverent joke, they respond with an irreverent joke, you respond with a flat insult.

Fucking why??? Is this me not understanding people or is this fucking bizarre?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I see it now.

You're a wrecker and that's all you seem to be.

Initially I thought you were just naive, then a troll. But your only aim is to wreck.

Have a shit day!

[–] db0 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Initially I thought you were just naive, then a troll. But your only aim is to wreck.

Don't forget immature as well!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Of all means which wisdom acquires to ensure happiness throughout the whole of life, by far the most important is friendship.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

We have brought this upon ourselves. We couldn’t let this go and now ziq has been summoned. All is lost.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

what a fucking idiot. calling the Nazis "collectivist capitalism" what the fuck

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

i am curious though, why does ziq hate you

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