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[Vote] guess I gotta make a post for this over here. Do we defederate with exploding-heads.com (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there's little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt

Aye and nays pls

Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity

I should probably put a content warning so

CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead.

Edit 2: let's try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.

Edit 3: Imma be real with y'all, this has been a real shitshow. We gotta work out some kinda single voting infrastructure because the ayes and Nays isn't efficient at all.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Aye

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Nay.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Aye

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Aye.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (75 children)

Could we have some links to examples so everyone can get an informed view of the kind of content you're talking about? I don't browse that instance normally.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nay. Not as long as they aren't causing trouble here. By the way, your screenshots show, among others, a user from this very instance pushing back against their narrative, which is exactly what I would ecourage to do. If they start banning people for simply being critical, then we can have the discussion about defederating again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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I've changed my mind. I vote:

Aye.

I initially voted the other way, as I don't agree with the content there, but I didn't think that defederating should be our first action. I still believe that, but this instance has now proved to me that it is extremely toxic. See this post: https://lemmy.world/post/747912

And additionally, many folks will use the fact that we do not defederate from such a community as justification to defederate from us.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Aye

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Nay

I think we should also unblock Lemmygrad. If you want to access hateful content, you do you, but I think we should only block instances if their users cause problems here. I am not impacted by you accessing a stupid instance.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Aye

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Aye

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

As far as I know the whole concept of agora was just announced yesterday, and now we are saying that entire instances can be defederated based on a vote ( with no rules defined for when the vote ends or how votes are tallied ).

This is ridiculous and dangerous. This is poorly thought out. Above all, this is a terrible precedent. That any motivated group of users can go to an instance, clip some pics of bad behavior, create a thread and then spam it with 'aye' votes and close the vote whenever they please, and that result in the cutting off of an entire instance? Not even a freaking poll?

Please consider withdrawing this until the rules of agora voting are clearer.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Nay.

Personally I would feel that people that are present on those instances will find a home there and not enjoy being here or in other more reasonable instances. If they become more of a problem then consider it then.

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