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US hate crimes are rising - this is how to stop them (www.bbc.com)

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Newly released data from the FBI shows hate crimes in 2022 reached an all-time high since the agency began tracking such incidents, up nearly 7% from 2021.

Experts who spoke with the BBC say a host of factors, including aggressive political rhetoric and social media, have contributed to this uptick in violence - and they worry a heated upcoming presidential campaign season and violence in the Middle East could worsen the trend.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'll never understand why killing someone because you HATE them is somehow worse than killing people out of cold, calculating GREED.

At least people that kill out of hate cared about their victims, in that they wanted them dead.

A profiteer that poisons your children to make an extra buck doesn't even care to know a single aspect about them, a nameless speedbump to glorious profit. I find that far more disturbing than "I'm blue and you're purple, I'll fucking kill you!" That's just being an ignoramus who is a slave to their old vestigil evolutionary "something unfamiliar, kill it!" programming.

The capitalists have invented an entire dialect (externalities, rational-self interest, curtailing redundancies, etc) to convince themselves their murderous havoc is the height of benevolent reason, and more than that, an economic necessity and their duty to private shareholders.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

We condemn direct violence more than indirect. Think first degree murder vs negligent homicide.

If you add enough indirections, we apparently no longer care.

[+] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, no one has ever started acting like terrorists because of the wholesale slaughter of their population.

Pointedly doesn't look at Hamas

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You have a point, but they're already acting like terrorists. I'm not going to pretend I have a solution, but trump still walking free is a huge fucking problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It's not the ones acting like terrorists, it's the ones sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what happens.

Trump didn't get a handful of votes in the last election, he got nearly 75 million. Only some are truly radicalized now, you think literally coming after people like all their conspiracy theories state is going to make them think about moving to your side?

I mean, it's literally just the same kind of terrorism these chucklefucks are trying to perpetrate. Is it changing your mind about your opinions? No? Then what makes you think it'd change theirs?

[+] [email protected] -8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The more they engage in stochastic terrorism and kill innocents, the faster we run out of good solutions. At a certain point we have to point to their ideology as dangerous, and it would be irresponsible to assume that followers of a death cult are going to act in good faith toward their fellow citizens.

Make no mistake, the MAGA nuts want bloodshed, even if you don't. Something has to be done about them.

[–] ArcaneSlime 0 points 2 years ago

I thought you were a MAGA guy talking about Islam until that last bit lol. Your speech reminds me of post-9/11 "patriots," explaining their freshly awoken xenophobia. Idk if you meant to or like if that's the joke but if so, well done lol. I mean just about word for word, just replace "the MAGA nuts" with "those sand n-words" and you sound exactly like my uncle in 2002.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You:

I don’t agree with your solution

Your solution

do nothing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That is what you took from their reply? That’s a big projection without instead asking them a follow up of whether or not they had a solution.

So, fiivemacs, while I agree with your response - so you have a solution?

I don’t, personally because this stuff is deep rooted at this point

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Complaining about something, check.

Offering nothing, check.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yes, because I specifically said I don’t know what the answer is. Congratulations, inspector! Now you and the Scooby Gang can go try and find the solution you must have dropped somewhere because it sure as fuck isn’t in your response.

Complaining about something, check.

Offering nothing, check.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

I wasn’t talking about you, I was explaining my comment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't. Pointing out the irony that the 'sane side' is just as bad and calls for blood spilled.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In other words, you've never heard of the paradox of tolerance. It's fascinating stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's not a paradox and it's not fascinating. It's linguistic horseshit. Allowing genocide is not fucking "tolerance" and any attempt to equate same with something like... for example... NOT allowing genocide is absolutely stupid.

Tolerance: "Ted's a bit of a loony with his religious rhetoric but it's not like he's a diddler or something."
Not Tolerance: "Ted's a racist asshole that calls for the genocide of all non-white races and acts politically to that end but we have to let it go. Also he's a diddler."

Don't diddle kids. I'm gonna write a song about that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wow, did you ever miss the point. The paradox of tolerance is effectively pointing out that tolerance isn't a suicide pact. When someone advocates for violence, the tolerant response is not "I'm sorry you feel that way. Have a Snickers bar." The only appropriate response is "you need to come with these uniformed people to a place where you can be segregated until you get rehabilitated." And if they won't go without violence, then violence is the only response to keep them in check.

That's why we talk about punching Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Calling it a paradox is failing to understand what a paradox is.

Again, it's just linguistic horseshit that adds nothing to any conversation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Lying about what genocide actually is and acting as if both sides are to blame is part of the problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Her son, Mr Whitfield, told the BBC her death left an indelible mark on his family and opened wounds of their previous experiences facing racism in America.

"To lose my mother - who lived her entire life never ever being completely free, never ever being accepted as a black woman in America - to have been killed by a white supremacist, it has been absolutely devastating," he said.

The US saw a large spike in hate crimes after the 2017 Charlottesville white-supremacist rally, not in the immediate aftermath, but the following week, after Mr Trump said there were "fine people on both sides" of the protest.

The number of hate-crime incidents has risen every single election year since the FBI began collecting hate crime data, according to Mr Levin.

"Increasingly, social media is becoming so wild and unrestrained that it is creating a place where bigotry, stereotypes, conspiracy and lies go around the world seven times before the truth puts on its boots," said Mr Levin.

Extremism researchers said the deregulation of social media platforms over the years has allowed threats and hatred to linger online for longer and reach more massive audiences.

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