At this point I'm genuinely not sure what would be more damaging to the USA in the long term:

• Trump, the bumbling 78-82 year old cheetoh man?
• Or the 82-86 year old shambling corpse, Genocide Joe?

https://streamable.com/efk2kz

Israel Defense Forces on Twitter/X: — "From a comprehensive investigation and cross-checking of all the operational and intelligence systems, it is clear that the IDF did not attack the hospital in Gaza.

The hospital was damaged as a result of a failed launch by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist organization.

The terrorist organizations in the Gaza Strip shoot indiscriminately at Israel, endangering and harming the residents of the Gaza Strip as well.

Since the beginning of the war, approximately 450 rockets have been launched by the terrorist organizations that fell in the Gaza Strip"

"We have investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong".

I got a fundraiser email from Bernie. The absolute imperial bootlicker fuck.

“ The barbarous terrorist act committed by Hamas against innocent men, women, and children in Israel was a horrific act that must be strongly condemned by the entire world. There is absolutely no justification for shooting down hundreds of young people at a music festival, killing babies in cold blood and taking hostages. In my view, the state of Israel has the absolute right to defend itself against Hamas' terrorism.

It is also clear that this attack will only embolden the extremists on both sides who see violence as the only answer. It also creates the immediate possibility of a wider war in the area with unforeseen and dangerous consequences.”

Will post in the atrocities thread, but I think I've got a decent timeline of the hospital bombing. Please add anything that I've missed here

• Friday, 13th October -- IDF orders evacuation of all northern Gaza and specifically ordered hospitals to evacuate (IDF English statement on twitter | UN response)
• Saturday, 14th October -- Two attacks happen on Saturday. First, The IDF targeted the homes of three staff members, including the medical director, Dr Maher Ayyad (source). Second, the al-Ahli hospital's cancer ward is hit by a missile at 7.30pm, injuring 4 staff members.. I think this was a warning shot.
• Sunday, 15th October -- Thousands of refugees begin to take shelter in hospitals, including Al-Ahli. Hospital officials seem to have been warned several times to evacuate the premises. I don't know enough Arabic to hunt down or confirm these sources but Arab TV quotes an "Evangelical (Protestant?) Church in Jerusalem" saying they were warned to evacuate the hospital three times via phone.
• Monday, 16th October -- More refugees and warnings, I'm assuming. Reports continue to come out about how the hospital is overflowing with patients who have no where to go and that the hospital has no more medicine or supplies to treat them. The Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem, who run the hospital, declare a day of prayer and fasting for Tuesday, 17th October.
• Tuesday, 17th October -- The IDF strike al-Ahli hospital with a guided missile during the day of prayer and fasting.

As discussion of the facts continue, I really want to again emphasise that the IDF had attacked the hospital already and targeted the homes of the medical director of the hospital. Finally, al-Ahli is one of fifteen hospitals that have been attacked in Gaza since 7th Oct (source).

Made the mistake of reading a reddit thread and this is what I found

Majority opinion is that mainstream media is rabidly pro-Hamas.

the average reddit politics sub user is either an anglophone ordoliberal euro-pervert (most diseased demographic on earth) or an American Xennial that got sucked into an astroturfed DNC disinfo network in 2019 and hasn't spoken to another human outside of a comment section since.

Israel will not interfere with the supply of humanitarian aid from Egypt to population in need of the Gaza Strip, Netanyahu's office stated

I don't believe them

Biden is now backing up Israeli lies about their strike on the hospital (per CNN):

Speaking alongside Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, Biden said it appeared Tuesday's deadly blast at a Gaza hospital was "done by the other team, not you," echoing Israeli assertions that the bombing was caused by an Islamic Jihad rocket.

I really fucking hate Biden.

“But there’s a lot of people out there not sure, so we’ve got a lot, we’ve got to overcome a lot of things,” Biden added.

jfc, so to Genocide Joe, the biggest problem we face is that others think it was Israel that blew up the hospital, and they just need some convincing!?!?

Since the morning, we are getting calls on our mobile phones with a recording by the Israeli army. It says any person who has returned to or is still in Gaza City is a terrorist and is considered a collaborator.

They say that whoever remains in Gaza City will bear the consequences.

The government of Honduras has announced that it will promote a draft law to recognize and protect the rights of Indigenous and Afro-Honduran peoples, who represent 12 percent of the country's population.

If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe?

[Verse 1] He came to town like a midwinter storm He rode through the fields, so ancient and frail His eyes was his tools and his smile was his gun But all he had come for was havin' some fun

[Chorus] If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe?

[Verse 2] He brought disaster wherever he went The lives of the folks was to hell broken sent They all ran away so nobody would know And left only bodies 'cuz of Genocide Joe

[Chorus] repeats 4x

Now that there are mass protests in Kurdistan, safe to say the US has permanently lost the middle east

If it hadn't been for genocide Joe We'd have had world peace a long time ago Where did your brain drip, where did it go? Time for your nap now, genocide Joe

Could everybody post sources to what you're quoting? Nobody should trust a quote without a source.

Massive protests happening....well literally everywhere

CNN reporting that IDF says the hospital blast was caused by Hamas

This is hell, we’re getting a front row seat to genocide happening right before our eyes, but all we can do is watch because we don’t have the propaganda arm of the media on our side

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They just struck a mosque in the West Bank

Get ready to hear "Project 2025" ad nauseum. I've seen a few identical astroturfed social media posts trying to scare people into voting for Democrats. It's infuriating to think about how many people donated to Bernie in 2022 only to have that money spent for PR firms to underpay workers in the global south to copy and paste messages telling Americans they should be terrified to demand anything left of Joe Biden. Statistically a nonzero percentage of the Bernie money was just handed to the media agency managing BrooklynDadDefiant.

BBC takes six journalists off air over pro palestine stance

https://sputnikglobe.com/20231017/bbc-takes-six-journalists-off-air-launches-probe-over-pro-hamas-posts-1114251717.html

So is Israel even rescuing the Hostages? It seems like they have killed quite a few in their bombing campaign.

Before the war 400 trucks of commercial import/export a day went into Gaza.

Recently: 20 trucks of aid.

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US media: Aid trucks are going into Gaza.

[I made an edit. And then I had to yet second edit to improve on the first edit. One day I'll get the hang of this.]

literally everything the IDF says is a lie and their "evidence" is fake. How are people still falling for this shit after a year and a half of Ukraine disinformation

Their savage and barbaric terrorism

Our modern and high tech Shock and Awe doctrine

The Egyptian president has said the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza will be considered a declaration of war against Egypt

Sisi staring at the Egyptian military like

https://nitter.net/NCCeltic/status/1714601137607704757#m

Speechless at this — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz wants to reduce the number of refugees, and tells Der Spiegel, "We finally need large-scale deportations"

https://nitter.net/nthnashma/status/1715327313309516025#m

Folks

They are saying it

It's on my ig, it's on my tik tok

Genocidian Biden

The kids, folks

Even the kids are saying it

Twitter | Nitter

Now that we have surpassed 7K comments, the Twelfth Imam, Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Mahdi, shall reveal himself to the world.

https://hexbear.net/comment/4108717

The media gaslighting people into believing the Shaggy "it wasn't me" defense

My county commission just unanimously passed a resolution affirming support for Israel. After the hospital bombing. Part of the "whereas" section of the resolution - essentially the justification for the resolution - says the following (emphasis mine):

WHEREAS we encourage and support efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians who may be used as human shields to protect weaponry and leadership located and imbedded [sic] in civilian structures such as schools, hospitals, and mosques

Again, this was like 2 hours ago, long after the hospital bombing was well known. "...efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians...".

...efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians...

...efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Also, this is two days after a pro-Palestine rally was held in the city the county commission is based. A large portion of the protesters were Palestinian or otherwise Arabic. No way that nobody on the county commission thought about the rally before passing this. Reportedly around a dozen people registered to speak at the meeting, one of them had to have brought up the hospital. I don't know for sure though because I don't think they broadcast it.

Tonnes of equipment moving videos in Iran right now. Going to the border.

Exclusive: ‘Mutiny Brewing’ Inside State Department Over Israel-Palestine Policy

Morale is low, and some staffers are preparing to formally express their opposition to President Joe Biden's approach, officials told HuffPost.

Doctors drinking saline solution in Gaza

interesting article I came across in view of some recent discussions about carriers and their continued relevancy (archived)

Now, the take here is maybe a bit too hard against carriers, but there's still some interesting points

But, in my judgment, these battles also illustrated the fact that the aircraft carrier, for all its advantages, was acutely vulnerable to airstrikes. Subsequent US success in the War in the Pacific was largely due to its extraordinary capability to produce carriers (and all other types of ships) in historically unprecedented numbers, and to keep them manned with well-trained air crews. After the Battle of Midway, the Japanese were never able to match the Americans in either respect.

That said, the vulnerability of the aircraft carrier to airstrikes never diminished, and even as the Japanese navy shriveled away to a faint shadow of its former self in late 1944, the susceptibility of all surface ships to attacks from the air became more and more apparent.

The most interesting part was the idea that we've actually already seen how a fleet can be damaged by precision-guided missiles - all the way back in WW2, it's just that the "missiles" in this case were actual planes flown by human pilots in kamikaze attacks.

The so-called kamikaze attacks reached their zenith in the spring 1945 Battle of Okinawa, where ~1500 pilots and aircraft were expended, and inflicted substantial damage on large numbers of US warships. According to a 1999 US Air Force analysis, by the end of the war ~3000 kamikaze sorties resulted in the sinking of 34 US warships and damaged 368 others, with a “hit” ratio of almost 20%. In my estimation, this is a rather extraordinary success rate when one considers the pronounced disadvantages they faced:

• Kamikaze planes were flown by woefully undertrained Japanese pilots (a great many of them only teenagers) flying what were, by then, even more woefully obsolete aircraft.
• The aircraft typically carried less than about 500 lbs. of munitions, often in the form of two 200 kg bombs which lacked the explosive punch necessary to do serious damage to a large warship – therefore multiple strikes on the same ship were required.
• The US Navy moved heaven and earth in a substantially inefficacious attempt to prevent the strikes, including massive numbers of aircraft flying combat air patrol out to maximum distances, and many scores of smaller warships deployed in vast arrays of screening ships.

The simple fact was that, despite the highly focused effort to interdict them, US defenses were frequently overwhelmed by large and determined “salvos” of this first generation of precision-guided anti-ship missiles. ... Nevertheless, the kamikaze demonstrated incontrovertibly that warships in general, and aircraft carriers in particular, were – and would continue to be – extremely vulnerable to large salvos of precision-guided munitions. That vulnerability not only persists to the present day, but is unquestionably more acute than ever before due to the fact that anti-ship missile technologies have advanced much further in the post-World War II era than has the capability of the targeted ships to defeat them.

Altogether, the fleet arrayed off the shores of Okinawa consisted of over 600 ships! Nothing even remotely approximating this huge fleet had ever been seen, and quite likely never will be again. The configuration of current US carrier strike groups consists of a single carrier, 1 guided-missile cruiser, and 3 – 4 destroyers and/or frigates. So, in a potential battle today between a US carrier strike group and a peer or near-peer adversary, a mere half-dozen ships with an extremely limited number of defenses will face massed salvos of hundreds of cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, supersonic and hypersonic anti-ship missiles, and dozens of submarines with many hundreds of torpedoes – all of which deploy large modern warheads capable of inflicting a mortal blow against any of the ships in the group.

US naval power apologists may argue that the array of defenses on these ships is much more capable than in World War II. But it simply does not matter. It won’t be enough. Regardless of how one attempts to crunch the numbers, a putative engagement between a carrier strike group and the PLA Navy in the South China Sea would entail simultaneous massed attacks of precision-guided anti-ship missiles zooming in from all points of the compass.

First nuclear test inside the United States is NOT World News. The reason I didn't outright just delete the post is because it appears to have been done as a reaction to Russian policy. That's the tenuous World News angle.

Excuse me what the fuck

I don't even know what to say. We all know the depravity of the Zionist entity, but bombing a fucking hospital? Initial reports say over 800 dead. There is no hell deep enough. And nobody does a thing.

Israel bombed the hospital to prevent de-escalation? Plausible.

Psychotic though, given that I don't think they can win.

This has probably been said, but if Trump were president, the Dems/libs and even the West more broadly would be more critical of the war crimes in Gaza. Trump is a bridge too far for libs. I don’t think they would line up in lock step with him like they did with Dubya after 911. And make no mistake they hated Bush with a passion that was almost Trump Derangement Syndrome levels. Now of course the quirky artist has been thoroughly rehabilitated.