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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Looks like we got some #ThoughtsAndPrayers.

If China continues to insist on abandoning proletarian internationalism and trying to be a friend to literally everyone, then they're going to find that they don't have any real allies when the US comes knocking at their door for WWIII.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If China continues to insist on abandoning proletarian internationalism and trying to be a friend to literally everyone

China doesn't want to be friends with everyone, they want to be able to do business with everyone. they do a shit ton of business with idf-cool, they're one of China's biggest trade partners in Asia, especially the tech/surveillance sector.

Chinese foreign policy has always been dog shit and they don't care about anything outside of their borders, so I guess no one should have expected much more from them. :china-cool:

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago

It's an open secret too that Israel is a conduit for Western technology, especially sensitive technologies, to get to China. It wasn't too long ago (like mid 2000s) that Israel was just openly selling the weapons it gets from the US and Europe to China.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

China's foreign policy is entirely centered around their sphere of influence. Their neighbours in Southeast Asia are far more their concern than what happens in the Middle East. They lack the influence and the resources to do anything significant in the Middle East and they know it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

China isn't the Soviet Union. It doesn't have the military muscle to project power beyond the countries that border it. This is the difference between the two. The Soviet Union was a superpower because of its military while China is a superpower because of its economy. China can't do anything immediate to stop Israel's genocide. Military-wise, they not only lack the raw power but also have to reserve most of their military in case they have to forcefully seek reunification with Taiwan. Even something extremely drastic like a complete sanction and severing of relations between China and Israel won't materially stop the genocide for the simple reason that the rabid dog Netanyahu and the rest of the Zionists will not be stopped by anything except for brutal force, something that China lacks.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

They lack the influence and the resources to do anything significant in the Middle East and they know it.

They got the Saudis and Iranians to mend their fence, which is pretty huge. Reading between the lines, China probably offered guarantees to both Saudi and Iran off the table so it's not impossible that China is choosing to act through them as proxies.

Still, a weak statement from the Foreign Ministry. Wonder if they'll toughen their stance if Israel continues to commit attrocities and the Arab and Muslim world asks China to choose sides.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Feel like shit, just want him back stalin-bummed

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

He pushed for Israel to be established and supported early Israel very directly

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

this is kinda idealistic, china doesnt actually have a way to push their forces into here. almost all of china's military-based international efforts are via the UN. they largely keep to themselves, not only because of geography but because they are still neocolonized in areas like taiwan. if they lose their position, people have physical state entities to swap allegiance to. the statement could be better, but they still dont want to throw their emerging position away.

if you saw this sort of shit happening in SE Asia or Korea they would be involved from the outset. russia has more capability of doing things here even though theyre in a war. plus we also must remember that the soviet union tried military and arms intervention in this conflict before, but this was obviously unsuccessful despite their better geopolitical and geographic positioning.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago

Absolute weak ass shit, so this is what they invited Borrell for? So some EU dipshit can double talk about diplomacy and two state solution meanwhile back at home the entire western media hails Hitler while Israel does its thing?

When will you realize there wont be a two state solution if there are no more Palestinians left you absolute moron Wang Yi?

China is dropping the ball so hard right, seems they were absolutely stunned that a crisis would escalate so quickly and they would be required to change tone literally overnight. I could excuse the absolutely hilarious Xi meeting with the senators as an unfortunate timing, but this is absolutely on them, they had the time already to realize whats going on.

I had no expectations and was still disappointed.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

China, embargo Israel, least you could do

an aid package for palestine as well

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

RETVRN TO TRVDITION!!!!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

Geez at least send a PLAN hospital ship to Gaza and make the Israelis try to turn it back.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The truce they brokered over Yemen between the Saudis and Iran was surprising, as well as being one of the highest points in China's usually dogshit foreign policy record ever. Given that, my hope that they might achieve anything whatsoever positive is tremendously higher than it might have been otherwise.

It's hardly cause to be too optimistic though, jumping from expecting a 0.1% chance that their pressure pauses the genocide a little sooner than otherwise to a 10% chance doesn't mean there isn't a genocide taking place

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

The potential is there but we should temper our expectations.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

lol, unsurprising

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

LIB 'Uh TOO soon...'