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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I've discovered a new way to argue with "both sides" reddit-logo users who are clearly lying about "condemning Israeli violence against civilians."

https://redditcommentsearch.com/

Search their comment history for comments condemning Israeli violence not in the context of them trying to "both sides" the issue when commenting about Palestinian violence so as to appear "unbiased". Then watch them get really mad when you ask them to provide a comment as an example because you can't seem to find one.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Iranian Foreign Minister: I congratulate the Palestinian people on Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, which is a response to Netanyahu’s war crimes

Iranian Foreign Minister: We are here to confirm the Islamic peoples and governments’ rejection of the continuation of war crimes against the Palestinians

Iranian Foreign Minister: The bombing of Gaza, displacement, and cutting off water are considered a war crime committed by the Zionist entity

Iranian Foreign Minister: I will hold talks with Lebanese officials regarding the situation in Gaza

Iranian Foreign Minister: With the continuation of war crimes against the Palestinians, all possibilities against the Zionist Regime, including new fronts, are possible in the region

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

let's see how fast we can speedrun through all the previous atrocity propaganda claims

"First, Hamas gunned down peaceful civilians at the Rave For Peace Where All Of Us Are Innocent Poor Little Meow Meows (the only place in the whole of Israel to do this was extremely close to the Gaza fence, everywhere else was booked). Hamas ripped Israeli babies out of incubators and killed them. They then took their mobile incinerators out of Gaza and brought them to Israeli villages to try and hide their atrocities. Hamas then targeted an Israeli destroyer boat and shot at it in the gulf. They fired a missile at a packed train station, then an Israeli theater building, fired missiles at schools that definitely didn't contain soldiers, left mines and bombs on playgrounds, lined up a bunch of stolen tanks in front of an Israeli holding two bags in a public square and ran him over, and then, for good measure, found a random Uyghur and killed him. What despicable terrorists."

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Hezbollah has released a statement/speech to the effect of: we are in communications with Palestinian resistance groups, various threats and warnings are being made to us from international actors and we do not care, American warships do not scare us, we will intervene when the time is right, there is a plan that we are involved in.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)

For the longest time I thought @[email protected] did the news megas because he had a job that required him reading all the stuff anyway and he just formated it for us as a bonus

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

One funny wrinkle to recent events in Isreal that I haven't seen mentionied much is that back at the G20 meeting the India-Middle-Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC), meant to counter China's BRI, was inaugurated. The idea being to facilitate the constructing of things like rail networks and hydrogen pipelines. This initiative finds its origins in the I2U2 group, consisting of India, Isreal, UAE and the US. Notably, Israel proposed the idea of increased interconnectivity through rail.

The inevitable reliance on risk-averse private companies makes the financing of such projects hard for the West under normal circumstances. But with Isreal's genocidal policies flaring up tensions in the whole region, it seems dead in the water.

This whole thing is such a massive strategic failure for the US. They wanted to pivot to East Asia, pull back from West Asia, improve relations in Africa, focus on containing China. But instead they are overextending themselves with Ukraine and Isreal. Their focus completely opposite of where they wanted it it be.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (5 children)

AFP, quoting the Chinese Foreign Minister: Israeli practices in Gaza after the Hamas attack exceed the acceptable limits of self-defense

Yeah no shit.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Supposedly most advanced propaganda in the world writing blatantly fake google translated documents explaining how hamas plans to attack israeli schools at saturday.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Israeli warning to Hezbollah:

"IDF will destroy Damascus, target Syrian President Assad if Hezbollah joins war; US warships will support Israel in war."

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago

Wall Street Journal quoting an Iranian official: If Iran properly is attacked, it will send its fighters from Syria to attack Israel

“Iran possesses the largest and most diverse missile arsenal in the Middle East with thousands of ballistic and cruise missiles, some capable of striking as far as Israel and southeast Europe.

For the past decade, Iran has invested significantly to improve these weapons’ precision and lethality. Such developments have made Iran’s missile forces a potent tool for Iranian power projection and a credible threat to U.S. and partner military forces in the region.

Iran is also a major hub for weapons proliferation, supplying partner/proxy groups such as Hezbollah and Syria’s al-Assad regime with a steady supply of missiles and rockets, as well as local production capability.”

Iran not only has the capability to strategically bombard Israel proper in response to aggression thanks to deep stocks of munitions, its missile force is also sophisticated to the point it could cripple the U.S. CENTCOM assets in the wider region.

This means not only destroying U.S. bases in places like Iraq or Bahrain, but also closing the Strait of Hormuz and the Bab el-Mandeb Strait to oil shipping. This would likely collapse the Western economies, due to their dependence on foreign oil.

It’s easy to imagine the collapse in U.S. prestige and power projection capabilities that would follow such a conflict, particularly if Iran is able to sink American carriers, as they have the capacity to do.

Al-Jazeera quoting a Israeli Radio, citing a senior official source: The number of Israeli casualties is unfathomable and much greater than what was announced.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Any other westerners feel that things have changed in less than 72 hours? Like, we are seeing how the propaganda machine works in real time. On Saturday, there were plenty of people giving support to Palestine or even spouting “both sides” opinions that even though they sucked, at least provided some superficial acknowledgement of Palestinian suffering. But now, early Tuesday morning, it feels like anything other than full-throated and uncritical support for the Israeli state is met with extreme hostility.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Israel tells UN to evacuate the northern Gaza Strip within 24 hours

Today, just before midnight local time, team leaders of the UN Office of the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs and the Department of Safety and Security in Gaza were informed by their liaison officers in the Israeli military that the entire population of Gaza north of Wadi Gaza should relocate to southern Gaza within the next 24 hours," Dujarric told Axios.

"This amounts to approximately 1.1 million people. The same order applied to all UN staff and those sheltered in UN facilities – including schools, health centers and clinics," Dujarric said.

The United Nations considers it impossible for such a movement to take place without devastating humanitarian consequences," Dujarric added. "The United Nations strongly appeals for any such order, if confirmed, to be rescinded avoiding what could transform what is already a tragedy into a calamitous situation."

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I appreciate that the mods at r/blackwolffeed have embraced a bit of TC69 thought and are purging zionist comments.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Israel is officially sponsored by Betterhelp, and is offering all its ~~viewers~~ citizens 6 months of free top tier online therapy with the code in the description below.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ex-Prime Minister of the zionist state Ehud Barak seen at Ben Gurion airport leaving the country.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (10 children)

The AP is doing something simple that the vast majority of American reportage does not. They are talking to Gazans. In a shocker it turns out that hasbara and the reality on the ground are not the same.

Israel prepares for possible ground assault in Gaza as war deaths mount | AP News

Palestinian residents of the city of Beit Lahiya in the northern region of the Gaza Strip said Thursday that Israeli planes dropped flyers warning them to evacuate their homes and to head to "known shelters."

"Anyone who is near Hamas terrorists will put their lives in danger," the flyers said. "Adhering to IDF instructions will prevent you from being exposed to danger."

The area had already been heavily struck by the time the flyers were dropped. Shelters in the Gaza Strip are not safe from airstrikes — the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees has seen 10 of its shelters struck since the start of the operation.

Palestinians living the pummeled Strip have said that the military often has not alerted them before striking homes, or will alert them but not with enough time to evacuate before their homes are struck. Israeli defense officials have said that they attempt to provide warning before strikes.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

EDIT: Not sure of the validity of this one.

“We have abolished all the rules of warfare. Our soldiers will not be held responsible for anything. There will be no military courts.” - Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Israel Defense Forces on Twitter/X:

"The first plane carrying American ammunition landed in Israel: — A plane carrying advanced ammunition landed at night at the Nevatim Airbase - 31° 12′ 30.05″ N, 35° 0′ 44.28″ E

The ammunition is designed to allow significant blows and preparation for additional scenarios

We are grateful for the American backing and assistance to the IDF in particular, and to the State of Israel in general, during this challenging period.

Our common enemies know that the cooperation between the armies is stronger than ever, and is a key part of ensuring regional security and stability"

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Among the liberals who aren't openly supporting genocide, I've seen so much hand-wringing about "nuance". They're saying "yeah Israel is bad but Hamas is also bad so you see it's nuanced and therefore I don't need to actually have any kind of stance or do anything".

Like sure, it's a nuanced situation. It's complicated (not really but whatever). But thats not a conclusion! You can't just say "oh you know it's a really difficult situation" while people are fighting for liberation in ways that you don't like. "It's complicated" to liberals is a viewpoint, one which allows them to sit back and say "violence sure is bad" and never question why there is violence at all

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you poke me in the eye, I get to murder your entire generations of your family (j/k I was already doing that) <- morals of a cool and just society

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago

Haha! You dumb TANKIE, you fool, you idiot!!! Do you not know the Palestinians did a bad thing?

Here, I'll present you my sources:

[WESTERN MEDIA]

[WESTERN MEDIA]

[WESTERN MEDIA]

[WESTERN MEDIA]

[WESTERN MEDIA]

[WESTERN MEDIA]

GOT YA HUH?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Palestinian Health Ministry states Israeli airstrikes targeted three convoys transporting evacuees in southern Gaza today, resulting in at least 70 fatalities.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Netanyahu wants Hamas treated like ISIS. Expect Israel to provide Hamas with weapons and intelligence very soon.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (3 children)

From the river to the sea, many people are saying this!

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Well, pretty much my only friend left that I hang out with in my city texted me asking if I "still support Hamas" over the child beheadings, and didn't take it well when I sent him links showing that media outlets were backtracking on the story. I never even said that "support hamas" either. Hopefully he chills out...

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Putin:

"I don't understand why the U.S. is dragging aircraft carrier groups into the Mediterranean Sea. I don't really understand the point. Are they going to bomb Lebanon or what? Or have they decided to try to scare someone? There are people there who are no longer afraid of anything. This is not the way to solve the problem. Compromise solutions need to be looked for. Of course, such actions are inflaming the situation."

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago

I have to admit, I'm still in shock that this is currently happening. Somehow, against all odds, the Palestinians are still occupying Israeli territory (or rather have reclaimed Palestinian land, obviously Israel are the real occupiers here). Over a thousand Israelis killed, and still no response by the IDF other than indiscriminate air strikes, the kind they've been doing for decades. And all this after years of outside commentators saying the movement for Palestinian liberation is dead. Whatever happens next, nobody can take this moment, this feeling, away. An unbelievable blow has been struck, indeed is still being struck.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago

Horrible that we're seeing a nuclear armed country preparing to commit old school genocide in real time.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Boutta say "lenin go on hexbear" but I realized admins would have him banned immediately for sectarianism

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

🚨 The ONLY source for the "beheaded babies" claim is a pro-genocide member of a radical settler movement

Despite the claim of the discovery of beheaded Jewish babies being reported across the world, we still have no evidence for this except one man's claim: a settler named David Ben Zion.

https://twitter.com/KeithWoodsYT/status/1712239999435853932

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago

The brave resistance of the Palestinian people gives me a bit of hope for our doomed world

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Lindsey Ellis did a great video on it, but American culture gets super weird when US interests are being challenged internationally

I saw it in real time on SNL last night and before a few football games today. It’s so ominous how they’re ignoring the outright slaughter of Palestinians to put the focus on “Israel being attacked by terrorists”

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Noah from Blowback is going to be on hasan-smash today. Let’s go!

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