It looks to me like this war is pretty cheap on both American lives, and on the American taxpayers' pocketbook.
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It's almost like the real reason they are against aid for Ukraine is that they just parrot whatever their media outlets put out, and they put out being against aid for Ukraine because they want Russia to win and they want lower taxes and reduced regulation for themselves. It's almost like conservatives are really fucking gullible so long as you pretend you're on their side and point at somebody for them to blame.
The weirdest part to me is how “support the troops” is always a priority for most in the group opposing Ukrainian support. In fact, military support is usually so critical that they can set aside many of their primary targets of small government and fiscal responsibility.
I get that this isn’t the “our” troops they usually chant about, but it easily could be, especially if Russia continues its aggressive action. It doesn’t seem that it’s that hard to understand that if you’re willing to give the US military nearly a trillion dollars, it isn’t a bad idea to give support to a country actively fighting against this threat.
I guess it really does just come down to people convinced that Russia is somehow not a threat to the US, even though the leaders of “our troops” feel differently.
I'm not particularly concerned about Russia militarily threatening the US, but a strong and emboldened Russia putting pressure on Europe is not favorable for us. Eastern Europe generally speaking has less money and power, and therefore with have trouble defending against Russia. As those nations fall, Russia gains land and resources, which makes them more of a threat to Western Europe. Even at a near stalemate in Ukraine, resources are flowing from us and our allies, bottlenecking supply chain, production, logistics, etc. This leads to challenges in receiving resources, and the price is higher if we can even get shit. If you stop thinking right there, I guess I can see how people might oppose aiding Ukraine. But people who think things through realize that Western Europe in direct conflict with a stronger Russia will only make those exact issues even worse. And decent people don't even need to realize and understand that because the moral implications of indifference to the massive amount of dead civilians is plenty of reason to be on board. But even a sociopath should be able to understand the concept of "a stitch in time saves nine."
"Well clearly I can't be held responsible for my life's problems, it must be the fault of disenfranchised minorities."
And pretty profitable for the military complex which finally is used for a good cause. Didn't these republicans receive their yearly lobby cheque?
Must've bounced, I guess. Ammo isn't exactly cheap to make.
"The war is cheap in terms of American lives" is a right wing, nationalist sentiment. "American" lives dont have any more value than any other lives.
Sure, but the American government's entire point is to collect American taxes and provide benefits for Americans. To minimize monetary cost and maximize benefit to American lives is exactly what it should be doing.
Wait, are you telling me that nations are oriented around nationalism?
This is why I'm for stateless global communism
What's the point in advocating for such a wildly impossible system.
The best reason there is, to have something to dream for. We see it in tons of our literature, look at how popular Star Trek is. It's not the crazy sci-fi stories that had people coming back, it was the world the audience wanted to live in. I wouldn't stomp on someone's dream like that. Especially when it is widely impossible, like who cares? It's their dream.
It's shortsighted to think that global communism is achievable within a human lifespan just as it is to assume that system won't be as vulnerable to corruption as current systems are. However that's beside the point, why advocate for something so widely impossible; because maybe it gives people hope that things may get better. If it was possible I'd definitely take more interest cause I don't think it'll work out how a lot of people who advocate for global communism think it will, but it's not possible.
Because politics actually matter, and for every person LARPIng about trying to make star trek a reality, is one less person working towards achievable goals making an actual difference in our actual systems. If all of the commies stopped preparing for the revolution and started voting and being proactive in their local party politics, they'd probably be surprised how much they could get done.
It’s only impossible because people like you refuse to see it’s possibility. If enough people see it’s possibility. It becomes not only possible, but inevitable.
You would have to overcome the combined political and military might of every country in the world to enact that system. How about you work on getting basic healthcare to people first. That actually might happen in your lifetime.
? Por que no los dos?
Because every effort devoted to unobtainable utopias is effort detracted from being politically effective in the current system and erodes the legitimacy of the left wing. And besides, most communists are hoping for revolution, and not actually helping people.
Voting and helping people is the revolution.
That's not revolutionary at all though is it. That's just what normal people do. My local conservative Christians are revolutionary by that definition.
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No. This leads to america to keep attacking other countries to steal their ressources to "maximize benefit for americans"
That's not any different from what any other government does. Governments exist to serve their people. Yes, it would be nice if American people had a more altruistic globalist worldview, but that's not really the goal of national governments.
Your current crop of Republicans don't really care about the US or American values - they want to live in a Margret Attwood novel.
“It’s not rape if it’s for America”
The war is cheap in all terms (expect Ukrainian's). I believe most of the dollar numbers you see includes equipment value when they were going to be scrapped anyway. The accountants have to give it a fair dollar value, but in practical terms it's zero.
Any Republican against giving aid to Ukraine is essentially a Russian asset.
You spelled ass-hat wrong
It's the same picture
Crazy idea, how about we have a few years where we aren't involved in some war?
Wouldn't it be nice if all these tyrants like Putin would just stay in their own homes...?
If only it were that simple to look the other way from your neighbor getting attacked and raped.
As if such persons ever stop after their first successful house...
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Alternative is we just print another 80billion while simultaneously trying to curb inflation. Good plan!
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