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[–] [email protected] 208 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'd exchange Reddit and X. The rate at which X is going downhill right now just cannot be beaten by anything.

[–] Hiccup 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Twitter(/X - such a bullshit crappy name) is the Kmart of web 2.0 companies. Just a husk of what it was and in a massive free fall decline.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

It's basically a matter of a branded domain name and Mastodon will take over.

Governments and entities like the New York MTA are going to want something they control, rather than something that falls to the whims of some billionaire.

The tech for Mastodon is there. You just needs orgs that care less about reach and who trust people to come to them (like the New York MTA).

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Agreed. I mean I never expected Elon to be smart but good god is that dude an idiot. Everyone reading this could 100% do a better job in his shoes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

If I had bought Twitter back then, I would have just done absolutely nothing and raked in the cash.

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like it's unfair to include TikTok as it had a clear headstart by being a dumpster fire since the very start.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Musical.ly certainly was a thing.

[–] Rai 12 points 2 years ago

Hey, the rebrand was successful!

Nobody associates it with paedos now and their “take existing videos and put our horrid moving shitty contrasted watermark on it” starting strat worked a dream

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

It has been an dumpster fire before it was even made.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

Does this reflect how the platform is actually doing or do we just like the circlejerk of wishing they would fail? Because everything I've seen says Reddit has been completely unaffected by the changes made and they're still getting more user signups, engagements and interaction/posts than ever.

Tik Tok also seems to be growing strong.

Twitter is a genuine laughing stalk and is pulling major shit.....but everyone still seems to be using it regularly.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

if you have been back to reddit, they might have growing numbers (probably due to shitty practices forcing you to use their app instead of mobile browser) etc. but the quality of discussions and the amount of bots just reposting the same comments skyrocketed.

I mean it's a huge site, it won't die, but if you look at it that way, Facebook is still alive, do you have a desire to spend time on that site though?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pleased to say I haven't been back to Reddit (except to scrub my entire history there to nuke my account). Reddit quality going completely down the toilet is something seen long before these changes were made. It's really sad to see that companies aren't forced to make better products because people will put time and money into these shit platforms regardless.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

We can take a look at the comment count on major subreddits over time. Using the top 5 most commented listed on Subreddit Stats, and then using Social Rise to see comments per day (go down to "Graph of" and click "comments").

All except Starfield show comments cratering at the beginning of July, and they're not coming back. Obviously, Starfield is a special case given the release of the game. AITAH was also just starting to pick up and then had its jugular cut out. Across the board, there looks to be a 3 or 4 times reduction in comment rates.

Now, perhaps the site is still OK among the more niche subreddits. That'd take a lot longer to analyze. But it's clear the big traffic drivers are not pulling people in anymore.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

If popularity was all that mattered, McDonalds would have Michelin stars.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

Only a good 0.1% of reddit actually "creates content" with the rest having only engagement via comments. A good 99% of those also don't do anything but lurk.

The people that make the content are also the ones more likely to switch to alternatives.

It's an engagement loop so while the amount of signups and accounts is unchanged, there is simply less content to keep people around and to monetize.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean, TikTok was already bad to begin with but what did they do to deserve a spot next to Twitter? Did I miss something? Surely they can't do worse than trying to make their paid only, right?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Yeah TikTok is bad but it also works as expected.

Yeah it's the worst algorithm ever, basically spyware, bans LGBT+ people, etc. But that's quite frankly how it always worked.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Bans LGBT+ people

My fyp is full of bipoc LGBTQ+ people? Twitter on the other hand tries to feed me right wing news sources and disinformation all the time. There's a spectrum here and TikTok is far on the other side.

Also to be frank the algorithm is by far the best out of any company with a "for you" algorithm. It blows pretty much anything else out of the water entirely.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Put Unity somewhere up there for their recent debacle

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unity is hors-concours, they've already won this race. None of these social networks have managed to fuck up so badly as to fully destroy their reputations like Unity did.

[–] Hiccup 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I don't know. Twitter running rampant as a nazi platform and safe harbor under Elon's tenure/stewardship has been something else. That platform was always a mess/ bad but not to the degree Elon has cranked it up to. It's full blown mania/ hysteria on that platform.

Edit: I miss the days of Twitter when I could've used it as my own personal news ticker/ use it to follow sports and my favorite sports reporters. It's shocking but there are actual uses and use cases for Twitter. It used to not be social media trash.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

An I the only one who thinks this is exactly what he wanted? Hated seeing the western social media trying to block disinformation, so he buys it and let's the right wing extremists have free rein

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 years ago

Crazy how TikTok don't even seem so bad anymore thanks to the other two completely fucking imploding.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know lemmy hates Reddit but X is easily taking the cake here. Do you think Elon is respecting ANY of the policies around old user data? If you were EVER on Twitter, Musk is all up in your business.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I hesitate to speak for everyone... Okay, now I will. As ex-Redditors, we absolutely hate Reddit because we knew it in the past, and we also know it now. So authoritatively, fuck Reddit and fuck Spez.

(I know not everyone here came from/cares about Reddit)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't hate Reddit. I love what Reddit can be.

I just can't support support its current trajectory. If they backpedaled settle of the recent decisions I'd return tomorrow, because after spending 3 months here I've found zero communities with enough activity to justify leaving the "everything" feed.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Elons shenanigans has to be worse than spez surely

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Spez just copies what daddy Musk does, so give it some time

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I feel like unity is the most likely to die. Their users are way more likely to switch to an alternative than people using reddit

Unity alternatives are also way more known than reddit or twitter alternatives

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Also, anyone who wanted to leave Twitter, Reddit, or TikTok likely already have

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Xitter is now enabling disinformation intentionally. Put ‘em at the top

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's a race in which there are only losers.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A very easily stolen race, all you need is a USB stick

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

Yeah i also completely forgot Unity. This "Worst Dumpster Fire" ladder only had 3 spots.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Philips coming up fast in 4th place. CAN THEY BEAT TIKTOK?!

FIND OUT TOMORROW!

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

What did TikTok do recently? Reddit and TwittX I know about. Could have added Unity to the mix, even if they’re not social media.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

X and Reddit situations are kind of similar, but tiktok is shit for different reasons

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[–] Hiccup 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't think I've ever seen so many wish to devalue the companies at the same time. Let's not forget about robinhood also. I can't wait until reddit IPOs to short the shit out of it. You have to know their valuation is a farce and bullshit. The numbers are totally cooked there.

Edit: stupid autocorrect

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Think your not going to be able to skip ads.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Unity bailed itself out eh?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

you know what I mean

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No

In 2019 they also performed a retroactive terms of service change and after the backlash they changed their TOS to basically say "this can never ever happen again"

A few months before this recent dumbfuck decision, they actually went back and removed the part of their TOS and that they couldn't make retroactive changes to the TOS and then hoped everyone forgot.

What they've done this time was a calculated business decision where they knew they'd piss people off and just expected most to suck it up and deal with it like they have every other time. They calculated very poorly here though as this was just the straw the fucked the camel raw and everyone is jumping ship. They have proven repeatedly they aren't an engine development prioritized company anymore, they have proven repeatedly that have no issues lying to paying customers and doing shady backdoor shit.

What they did a few days ago was a "whoopsie we tried to fuck you again and it didnt work so we'llwalk it back for now" and for the second time have promised that this retroactive change can't happen again. A second promise days after they broke that promise.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There's metagame factors to this.

Reddit users often hate Reddit but feel stuck in it without alternatives that they can accept.

Twitter (it's not X, fuck that silly aging "peaked in the XTREME 90s" divorce dad nonsense, I hope he cries more about it billionaire-tears ) has lost a lot of users and the ones that are left are devoted cultists that pay money for relevance symbols on their accounts. blue-check farquaad-point

TikTok has people that are hooked on the algorithm to the point that they may not bother even participating in any such survey because it isn't on TikTok.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

OP, social media usage is down across the board. These platforms won't truly die until the next cycle of growth. Autumn? Winter? Usually gaming goes up when the cold weather comes around. Perhaps we will see growth then. We ought to be making sure we make communities for each new game that comes out, if an instance creators goal is to attract a lot of people. If they prefer quality, well, keep on this course. Lemmy is amazing.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I don't use TikTok. Is that bad?

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