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this post was submitted on 25 Sep 2023
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Yea. The question is completely absurd. There is no such thing as "reasonable ads". It is also completely against the philosophy of the project and the developers would never agree to it.
You may as well just browse Reddit at that point.
Also, ads are very much "give an inch, take a mile" in nature. Once you open that door and have say a tiny banner ad, then it's like "well that didn't do much harm, let's do a slightly bigger one", then before you know it it you have sponsored posts, sidebar ads, videos and all that nonsense.
It's just one of the avenues where enshittification creeps in IMO.
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I'd rather just donate.
I'm happy when an instance owner just says how much it costs to run a server, how many people actually manage it and how much time they spend to keep it running. I also like it when they just come out and say "we need this much money to keep things running every month, every year, etc"
Then I just donate and there are more a dozen ways people can send and recieve donations.
I don't mind paying for things and services if the person or people I'm donating to are just honest about what they need and why, especially if it's a service I use often.
Same, but sometimes it's not possible due to the different payment methods that don't work the same accross different countries.
It's unlikely ads would bring in any significant amount of money from them se people, in that case.
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There are no circumstances under which I would be okay with it. Including ads means there is a chance that content is removed to appease advertisers.
I will happily donate to my instance once they start accepting donations.
Under no conditions. Don't try to normalize ads.
I would much rather see the "Daily costs donation bar" that Reddit used to have
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Straightforward funding requests from the instance are just fine. Advertisements can gargle a cactus.
I'd be okay with devs promoting their own FOSS software, etc. And seeing donation buttons every now and then. No trad ads plz. We have enough of those.
Never, i would leave my instance immediately. Thankfully i dont believe this will ever happen. If admins need funds community members will donate. Through mutual cooperation we can keep these spaces free of the commercial bullshit that has infested every other faet of our lives.
In my view, the problem isn't monetizing an instance, but that ads right now are fundamentally problematic. I don't know of a way to introduce ads that wouldn't be intrusive, invade user privacy, introduce bad motives for admins, and just be generally unpleasant. If money is a problem, I think a subscriber model would be better suited for the platform rather than taking any step to normalize ads.
- Transparency - where the ads come from, how the revenue is used, etc.
- the ads are safe and appropriate and follow the same rules as posts and comments
- the ads are clearly labeled or otherwise visually distinct and not disguised as user generated content
- the ads do not make up more than 10% of the displayed content (by any metric (screen space, text, bytes, etc.)
- the ads are in like/kind to the surrounding content (e.g. if the community is text only, so are the ads, if the community allows images but not video, then the ads cannot move, etc.)
- no tracking
- the ads can be removed via subscription or donation
- no double dipping (e.g. charging for access and still showing ads.) Members who support the instance should not see ads, members who see ads should not be required to pay.
- a transparent removal process for problematic ads
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Fuck ads, don't normalize this. I left Reddit because of enshittification, and putting ads on lemmy is just another first step towards that inevitable end. I'll just spin my own instance back up. I had one running but I took it down to avoid the influx of CSAM on some instances.
Opt-in ads. Disabled by default, but gives the user the choice to support the instance if they do not want to (or can't) provide a monetary donation.
I don't want ads any other way.
- Visually distinct, not possible to mix it up with content
- No more than 10% of visual space
- Fixed - meaning directly agreed by with instance admin, no algorithmic ads or ad exchanges
- No tracking, no cookies. simply an image and a link embedded in the site
Iβd rather do monthly payments than having ads. Oh wait, Iβm already contributing monthly.
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I think for a shitpost instance a custom ad network banner ads with memes and shitposts would be make sense. What I mean by that is that on geocities as well as some small internet sites thereβs βcustom ad networksβ where they basically rely on donations and or just random people submitting βadsβ that normally tend to be just links to their site, weird obscure memes, animal pictures, etc.
I think real ads for the sake of advertising on lemmy wouldnβt really be acceptable in any form, but shitposting ads have potential imo
That sounds great. I remember seeing really old sites with these.
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The last 2 of your points.
Any lemmy instance using ads instead of donations should be abandoned to wither and die. It should get globally defederated... because any users ok with ads are not users we want on the fediverse.
None. Dont need ads on my own instance
Despite how necessary it is to pay for hosting, ads have ruined nearly all browsing experiences save one site where the ads were maintained by the site themselves and could be purchased by the users to advertise threads.
I doubt any of the instances have a mod team large enough to want to maintain dedicated βFor Saleβ comms and make sure nothing dubious is going on.
Without tracking/privacy invasion, related to the board/community, non animated, not excessive
hell no, never. start a patreon
If a website needs ads to thrive, it needs ads to thrive. I don't look forward to playing the role of both the beggar and the chooser. As I explain here, under the exact circumstances of today, I'm not afraid to say I'm judgy when someone mentions adblock usage.
none, unless airline ads but way prefer no ads
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