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I guess my question is who gave the Americans the right? I say this as an American. But would not the world be a better place if we just minded our own business and quit nation building and stoking non existant fires?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Anybody who thinks about that question enough always realizes they don't want that kind of power and control. Sometimes people think about it partly, get excited by the promises of power, but only misrepresented by their own misunderstandings, and mistakenly think they do.

Nobody actually does, just not everybody realizes it fully.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 18 hours ago

Because people in power only want one thing - more power. They only fear one thing - loosing power.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

Every empire has those aspirations.

There are many ways to achieve it through the complex relationships between countries and societies (e.g. soft power, cultural influence, militar control, etc) but an empire willing to try it at any cost with any means will always succeed for longer as an empire...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 18 hours ago

Because it’s an empire. Everything else is clever marketing.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Pretty much when the US was the only super power to survive WWII unscathed.

Also, having developed atomic hellfire, and the will to use it (twice), kinda makes you the big kid on the playground.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

This right here. The US was isolationist prior to WWII but then got attacked and drawn in to active war.

Since the mainland of US was untouched by war directly, and industry boomed post depression and during the war they came out of it better off than Europe, which had a lot of rebuilding to do.

As a result of the war and the need for defense they established bases all across the globe and for the last 80-90 years as the political system grew more corrupt the increase of American hegemony followed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

They love to take credit for WWII while completely ignoring the part Canada played

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Canada’s role is adequately acknowledged, our Nederland brothers send flowers every year

The US taking credit at all in Europe is silly but they did help with the Japanese theatre

[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago

Many countries played an important role, not just Canada. And no, not all of us take credit for it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago

The citizens, in general, don’t. We want to do the same thing every other country’s people want - live our lives and hopefully give our kids a good or better one.

I have no fucking clue what the government is doing to make these decisions.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 23 hours ago (13 children)

I want Finland to rule the world.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 15 hours ago

I also want that, but only for the future generations to know that "we were Finnished"

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

After WW2 the US became addicted to being the world police and many other countries were happy to have the US cover the cost of their defense or income from hosting US bases. Selling arms is also big business and the DOD justifies it by saying that it keeps personnel and manufacturing lines for weapons running.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 day ago (17 children)

After world war two, Europe was busy putting itself back together. It left an opening that the US stepped into. And who wouldn't like to be the big dog in the yard.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pretty much this. Up to that point, it was Britain and a few other European nations that were doing all the management* in various places in the world. After WWII, they realised: "You know what, we're tired and worn out and everyone wants us out anyway. We're going low energy to rebuild at home. Someone else can step in if they want."

* a.k.a. "Colonialism". Management is an odd choice of synonym I grant you, but once you've got a colony, it's in your interests to run things in good order. Until the locals rightfully kick you out, that is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

After WWII, they realised: “You know what, we’re tired and worn out and everyone wants us out anyway

This is a very naive understanding of the history of decolonisation. Decolonisation wasn't a western initiative, it was done because the colonies were literally rebelling against their European oppressors, great part of that through Soviet funding and arming.

Someone else can step in if they want.

...unless they oppose western control of the region like Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro or Mosaddeq.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

This is also an oversimplification.

Colonies were always rebelling. The main issue that led to decolonisation was that there was no longer the resources required to maintain these big empires.

Coal was more expensive, troops were more expensive, everything now cost too much to maintain.

It's the end phase of every empire.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I'm gonna answer from the perspective of someone who believes the world is a better place when it is led by America without reverting to a thin jingoist ideology. These aren't my views, but a steel man of someone I would disagree with.

Why does America feel the need to control the world?

In the wake of the world wars, we realized that the world is best off with one power to lead the world. No powers and multiple powers will result in another world war. We were the best position to take that role after WW2 and resist the Soviet union's attempt to gaining that position.

Do what they say?

Many of these countries don't do what America says because America says it. Heck, many go against what we say. But they believe in a better world and when they remember that, they undtand that America is putting themselves in the most danger by clearing that path for the rest of the free world.

Instead of taking care of their own problems at home?

The problems we have at home are pretty limited. Most of these problems are born out of laziness. But we keep the criminals in check both at home and abroad.

When did the US become police officer of the world and enforcer?

If we didn't step up after ww2, the world would have slipped into another world war or deem communism run rampant.

I guess my question is who gave the Americans the right?

The civilized world at the end of WW2. And under our leadership, the world is safer and healthier for it.

I say this as an American. But would not the world be a better place if we just minded our own business and quit nation building and stoking non existant fires?

From communism to extreme religious views, we are the only ones who are capable and willing to step up and protect the world against that. It's a difficult and thankless job.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

This is a very America centric veiw and even if it is a steel man it deserves a counterpoint.

After WWII most of the nations who were old empire builders were decimated. The general feeling was even those on the winning side didn't feel like they'd won. The rebuilding was slow and economic austerity lasted for decades.

The American prosperity of the 1950's and 60's wasn't "normal". America didn't have international competition it otherwise would have and that power gave them bargaining rights which made them both culturally dominant as they projected a sense of prosperity and politically powerful due to the resources at their disposal. Opposition to America was potentially disastrous and America threw their weight around like crazy. They expanded their military with these resources and established bases in countries too weak to oppose them.

America came out of the war with something of a Big Damn Hero complex. Communism, for all it's perceived threat was also a handy excuse to pursue expansion and in keeping American supremacy in place. Whether countries wantes to be "protected" or not really has a lot of across the board nuance. A lot of American political will was coercive and a lot of the things done in the fight for "democracy" were disproportionate and horrific.

Really a lot of the American supremacy at bottom was might makes right. With the world finally recovering economically and now able to speak as equals the US is using measures that demand a return to that economic supremacy and stranglehold. The larger sore points are growing. The world doesn't need one big power in charge. They don't need a king with a standing army. They want to make their own choices and have freedoms to not conform to whatever America wants and the attitudes Americans show to disregard that will is garnering response.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I also believed the world was a better place when the US led, but when anyone other than Trump was in power. At least with the US, we had a clear ideal of justice being normalized, and you could feel the progressive momentum with every passing year. We don't get that among the other contesting world superpowers. But I don't think the US stands for that anymore, thanks to meddling countries like Russia, but that doesn't mean I want China or, especially, Russia to succeed them. They lobotomized the US and they showed their real face in return.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

The USA was securing international trade lines. After WW2, they started doing it to counter communism and build friendships. (Cannot attack your trading partners.)

This was not entirely popular with Americans, see "Team America: World Police".

Another country or coalition could step up. Just build a navy that rivals the USA one to secure shipping lanes.

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