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[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (4 children)

One thing I really don't get in the discussion around EVs and charging is, why are people so afraid of tripping the main breaker? If you have a total of e.g. 17 kW available and happen to go over, just reset the main breaker (or replace it in case it's still a traditional one). It's there precisely so that you wouldn't need to care about overloading the connection.

In my experience people get by with a 3x25A (17 kW available, matches approximately a 70A service in the US) while using the available power to

  • heat/cool a single family home (in -20 °C weather mind you)
  • run all appliances (including the oven, stove, dryer etc.)
  • heat up a sauna
  • charge an EV
  • whatever else you typically would want to plug in, kettles and such

While it's true you can trip the main breaker if you have everything on at the same time, typically it never happens even if there are no lockouts in place preventing overuse. And it's not like tripping it causes any permanent harm.

Why is an electrical service upgrade constantly brought up as a solution when any home with >15 kW of available power won't need it? Is it against code to purposefully overcommit your mains in the US or something?

Edit: there were valid concerns raised over how long-lived the breakers are (probably won't be rated for tens of fault-condition related trips), also that these smaller service specs aren't as common as I've gathered from the media. That might have something to do with this at least. Thanks for the replies – it's been an interesting discussion.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Where I live, there is a pole fuse, which is, as the name implies, on the pole, and only a linesman can change it.

Massive pain in the ass if that pops.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

In my experience people get by with a 3x25A (17 kW available, matches approximately a 70A service in the US)

Wow, how do you do that?

Of course over-provisioning is a thing but that’s crazy. Maybe you have much smaller appliances or assume much lower usage, but 70a basically assumes 2 major appliances at a time, using close to max load, and with nothing else turned on.

Typical 240v major appliances

  • level 2 EV charger: 50a
  • stove: 50a
  • central ac: 40a
  • dryer: 40a
  • heat pump: 50a+
  • water heater: 50a

Of course you won’t use them all at once and they won’t usually be drawing their full rated load but I would not want to deal with being limited to one at a time so I can also turn on the lights or use the microwave

That can theoretically draw 280a, before you even count things like lights and small appliances. If you added up all possible circuits, you may be hitting 1000a theoretical in a modern house. I’m comfortable that My 200a service will handle any combination I might use, but 70a definitely not

By contrast I once lived in an apartment with 60a service. It did not have most of these large appliances but I frequently tripped the main with combinations like stove + window ac + microwave + lights

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Aside from the heat pump we have all of these things and they’re often running all at once. Never had an outside

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

There’s a standard

Then you’d round up to the nearest service level. Realistically, I believe most recent-ish houses are 200a service now with larger ones or hot climates tending to 300a+

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

why are people so afraid of tripping the main breaker?

Not everyone know as much as electricity as you, I think is natural to be afraid of something you not know so much and that potentially can burn your house.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (8 children)

The way that it works in most countries is that the breakers are per circuit in your wall. The breakers trip in order to prevent that single circuit from overheating and starting a fire in your walls.

Let’s say you have a wire that’s rated for 16amps. More than that and it becomes a fire risk just threw overheating. @230v that gives you 3680w per circuit.

If you have your industrial microwave, water heater, and car charger all going at the same time on that same circuit. This will draw way more than 3680w and thus would go over that 16a limit.

The breakers trips once you go over that 16a limit for safety. It’s a good thing. This all being said no sane electrician would put those three things on the same circuit. lol.

Circuit breakers are actually what enable you to safely over provision. Without them fires would just be a matter of time.

I know it works this way in the U.S. and Germany at least.

[–] mic_check_one_two 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Also worth noting that breaker ratings are for instantaneous usage. A 15A 120v breaker can only actually support 12A of continuous usage. But it says 15, because most things use a little extra power when they first turn on. AC system spinning up the fans and compressor, for instance. Spinning things up takes more power than keeping it moving. If you put a 15A device on a 15A breaker, it would likely trip as soon as that device turned on. In that instance, you’d likely use a 20A breaker to support the 15A device instead. But that 20A breaker would also call for upgraded wiring and outlets which could support 20A.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

My wife had to try charging on a 120V outlet last winter. The plug couldn't even keep up with the battery heating requirements to actually start charging; the battery percentage was going DOWN while plugged in. It was -25°C outside though, so it's a specific situation, but it's actually why she had to try to charge; it's a trip we can easily do without charging in the summer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Car specific maybe? I was able to charge at -30C outside from a 120V outlet last winter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Maybe, I know Teslas are a bit power-hungry when parked.

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