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Relaxed section for discussion and debate that doesn't fit anywhere else. Whether it's advice, how your week is going, a link that's at the back of your mind, or something like that, it can likely go here.

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I put together a guide aimed at Redditors for Kbin and Lemmy! (beehaw.org)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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(Reminder: if you have shared the original version in a public post with an old version up, replacing it with this one might be more helpful.)

I want to preface, if you see a mistake in the image or have something helpful to add, go right ahead! I still have the layered files for this, so edits can be made very quickly. I chose to handwrite the text to avoid font copyright infringement.

Feel free to share this poster as you wish, especially on Reddit. All I ask is that you respect the license and don’t remove my socials at the bottom. If anyone’s addition is included, I’ll credit them, and if this gets added onto (or translated) by someone else later, they can add their info as well.

I hope someone can find it useful with the subreddit blackouts right around the corner.

I want to thank the Beehaw admins so much for their amazing work!

(Poster edited; I spotted a duplicated word, [email protected] noted the lack of whitespace; current version is slightly larger and has been spaced out. You can still request the 800x2000 size, but know it is a little squished.)

(Edit 2: Removed defederation part as it’s not really required. The email analogy [email protected] suggested has been added, thanks!)

(Edit 3: Here’s another version making the interconnectivity a bit clearer and mentioning some cool-looking reader apps that have been suggested! Also made the image slightly longer for ease of viewing. I might do some small cosmetic changes tomorrow)

(Edit 4 is here with the date updated towards the bottom. This version contains a reminder to verify your email, lets people know why mlem isn’t showing up on App Store searches, and added fedia.io to Kbin instances. Some colors have been changed slightly to be more mobile friendly, as this is written and edited from a phone tablet. If you have a hard time reading this because of the changes, please let me know. Thank you all for the help and tips!)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Questions:

join the same communities popular posts will only live on specific instances

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

join the same community

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Related question for all you experts: if I have an account on both (for example) lemmy.ml and lemmy.world, what is effectively the difference between them if I can view content from any federated instance?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

AFAIK, the difference is mostly in the performance, moderation, and peering of each instance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I see, so...

If the instance my account is on is down or slow, I may not be able to log in.
Only moderators from my account's server can take action against me? This seems... potentially problematic, unless the moderators from federated instances are all in communication with one another? E.g. if I'm a problem on one instance but not my home instance, is there nothing the moderators on the non-home instance can do?
Could you elaborate on peering? Does that refer to which Fediverse apps a Lemmy instance can communicate with?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

@[email protected] @1993_[email protected]

Only moderators from my account’s server can take action against me?

as someone running a fediverse instance: not really... I can "ban" you from my instance, so that people from my instance can't see your post/follow you/interact with you, or delete specific posts from you, so that they don't show up on my instance. but i can't completely remove your account: anyone from any other instance can still see your account and follow you.

if i believe you did something really wrong and should be banned, i'd contact your instance's admin to take actions against you. if they don't comply and i believe it's causing too much issue, i can mute or "defederate" your instance. muting means posts from your instance won't be visible to people on my instance unless they specifically look up your account by name, and defederation makes it so that my instance pretends yours doesn't exist, and will refuse to lookup anyone from your instance, or let anyone from your instance follow some of my instance's people and so on!

hope this helps :3

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So I'm trying to understand the whole federation thing, I know we can view/reply to the posts/comments on different servers, even to different platforms(?) like kbin/Mastodon while using a Lemmy account, though they might have slightly different formats, but can we sort of "follow" the feeds of other platforms?

Essentially what I'm trying here is to look for a one app/account to rule them all approach, where I can doom scroll through all the feeds from everywhere, kbin, Mastodon, Fedia, Beehaw, you name it.

For instance, since every server appears to have their own Communities/Magazines, I'm wondering if I can just subscribe to something like [email protected], [email protected] and [email protected], and read through all their posts in a single page?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes! I use jerboa for android to see all my joined communities on one feed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thank you! Glad to see that option is available. Sadly I’m on iPhone, guess I’ll have to wait until that perfect app pops up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is an Apple app, but I don't know the name of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yes, there are 2, mlem and memmy, but at the moment their functions are very very bare bone. I been using them all day long and I didn't even know I have 2 notifications. Thank you anyway, I'll just wait to see how everything goes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

How can i collapse comments?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Needs a bit more whitespace to not be a wall of text in my opinion. But looks good in general!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Good point! I can easily resize and add more space.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Quick question is there normally a long federation delay between kbin and Lemmy?

For example while making a post/comment may be instantaneous, I noticed when using the edit feature for comment title there is a massive delay (6+ hrs sync delay for title change).

Curious is this common or more of a one off

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What's the difference between kbin and Lemmy? I saw something about Lemmy having 'baggage' and kbin being a newer iteration?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're functionally very similar but are two seperately developed pieces of software. The lemmy devs are tankies and many would prefer to completely avoid using something from them. I don't believe there's anything to worry about, as the devs can't control individual instances.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

undefined> tankies

oof. Is there reason why people choose to set up, or use a Lemmy community over kbin then?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I didn't know about kbin before making a Lemmy account, and Lemmy is the one being spread around Reddit as an alternative site. It then only comes up through an occasional comment on certain communities (meta ones) that the Lemmy devs hold particular views, it's easy to browse a lot of content without finding that out. That's probably the major reason.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Kbin is a different application, another content agregator suitable for leaving Reddit. The thing is, since we all use the same protocol to communicate (ActivityPub), these two completely different applications can talk to each other :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Alright, but functionally, for a reddit refuge, which one is "better"?

Edit: and what's Mastodon?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I honestly think that kbin is "better" but it wont be really better until they can bring back federation properly as they have had to introduce cloudflare that seems to be breaking federation. Once that is up you should be able to view between regular kbin and lemmy instances you choose. I just think kbin is set up better.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does this mean we can also technically communicate with Mastodon?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yup!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

amazing, that sounds incredibly cursed

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Question: Why are multiple communities allowed with the same name? Won't that create too much confusion? beehaw.org/c/community is different than lemmy.ml/c/community. Wouldn't it be better that all subs go to a single instance, no matter what the TLD is?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because they are separate communities on separate instances. And despite having the same name can serve highly different purposes. You might start an instance relating to your local city or town. Then if you had a technology sub on that it might be more specifically geared towards talking about technology in your city or town. Others might be more general in topic. But all are just as valid. And you can subscribe to all of them or none of them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This sounds great ! So if I take a famous video game as an example (for the sake of the argument, pong). maybe lemmy.world/pong is a global english-speaking community and mylocal.place/pong is the community of players near me (in a localized language). What might be strange is a transition period when you look for the biggest worldwide community, but don't know on which instance to subscribe... Very new user here... I am right ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yep. and if you're having trouble searching for a community because nobody else on your local instance is a member of the community yet, you could check a site like this:

https://browse.feddit.de/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Exactly, you can subscribe to both if you like. If communities were unique across instances then a bad actor could set up their own instance and claim all of the community names.

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