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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I asked Ernie, the artificial intelligence chatbot released recently by China’s biggest online search company, Baidu, to define “hurting the feelings of the Chinese people.” Ernie said it didn’t know the answer and urged me to move on to other topics.

You can't make this shit up

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago

A Chinese person was unavailable for comment.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

publicly owned by a chatbot, wow

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1776810779288300462&wfr=spider&for=pc

This guy wrote an opinion on it and mentioned some controversy around people wearing Japanese style clothing (military uniforms, kimonos, etc). I looked into it further and they were wearing these things to a Nanjing massacre memorial in Beijing. Its also been a thing where people post themselves in WW2 Japanese uniforms to show that they're fascists, basically, its a type of... very obvious dog whistle and the intent is to mock people that died fighting the Japanese, which is considered a serious offense in China.

On September 8, 2023, young public security scholar Cui Xiangqian explained to a reporter from Zhenguan News that "In recent years, some people in society have taken photos in Japanese military uniforms from World War II and spread them online, promoting and beautifying the war of aggression, damaging national dignity and hurting national feelings, and causing a bad social impact. It is necessary to clarify the relevant legal responsibilities and crack down on them severely. Therefore, the intention of this provision in Article 34 is to better connect the Criminal Law and the Law on the Protection of Martyrs."

So this is a limited bill, not something like 'banning bell bottoms' like the article mentioned. The purpose is to prevent the spread of fascist ideology and to punish people who mock the victims of the Japanese Empire. There were some concerns from lawmakers about how 'hurting the feelings and sensibilities of people in the Chinese nation' might be too vague, but their reasoning is that fascist dogwhistles can change rapidly and that the intent of the bill is to crack down on fascists and send them to jail for 10ish days and give them a 1000 yuan fine for each offense, plus community service time.

As far as I can tell, this is something that is yet to be passed and it seems that most people want it to be more specific in its language. The bill has already heard 44k comments so far, I'm curious to see where it ends up.

One of the pictures of people in Japanese uniforms in front of Sihang Warehouse referenced by the bill. article. People that do things like this are considered 'jingri' in China, which is an insult against people who consider themselves 'spiritually Japanese' and frequent fascist circles. After digging through some online commie sleuths that aid the police in finding fascists in China, they mentioned people associated with these groups would also cosplay Unit 731 and would show up to smaller socialist gatherings to assault people. They crossreferenced these reports to find these perpetrators.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I also read that there is some religious sentiments based on this as well, some local religions feature ancestor veneration and some of those religions have a taboo about wearing clothing of a certain style in certain contexts (re: wearing period appropriate clothing of a warrior on a battleground might provoke the spirits). That informs this law to some degree as well, but I was unable to find specifics, it was only mentioned in passing by a single official that said they are trying to avoid public outrage in this context.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So it’s similar to the restrictions in Germany on Nazi displays

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Pretty much, though it seems they take it more seriously than Germany and have task forces dedicated to it

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How much you want to bet they're banning racist T-shirt prints or something

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I suspect the article gets somewhere near the mark with the Japanese cosplay. People dressing up in KMT uniforms or doing Unit 731 edgelord shit, because some uberdork decided to try a Dark Enlightment on Weibo.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Yesh. Thanks but also jesus-christ

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

frothingfash This is why I'm so proud to live in a free society where they wouldn't dream of limiting my freedom to wear my grandfather's Hauptgemeinschaftsleiter uniform to political rallies, or just to the store for milk, or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I should be FREE to wear my HITLERS BBG T-SHIRT to my GOT DANG MONSTER TRUCK RALLY

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

lol, I can't decide if the fash is making it too easy or too difficult to mock them:

smuglord "You thought you were joking, but joke's on you 'funny' man; 'cause that's what I actually think!"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

A little off topic, but does it seem to anyone else like they're (the writer of this article) trying to link the China-scare messaging with the woke-scare messaging?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

That was actually my first thought.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

Fashion Police kelly

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah we do that in the UK too already. You walk around with some offensive slur on your tshirt and you're gonna get in shit for it. What's the big deal? You walk around in black face or dress up like a gollywog or something and honestly you getting arrested for it is as much for your protection because quite frankly you're gonna get bricked over the back of the head for it.

Fucking americans and their free speech absolutist bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Fucking americans and their free speech absolutist bullshit.

Americans aren't free speech absolutists. They're just biased towards fascism.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

t. country where people get attacked for having dyed hair

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

True, the proposed bill did get a very large number of comments. Trust the democratic process!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah, my mistake. It was working on mobile

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

After I archived your link I had the same problem. I removed the weird query parameters on the url and it works now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

"What do you mean I can't get a t-shirt print of a slant-eyed soyak caricature on it??? THIS IS TYRANNY"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago