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These people are not irony poisoned, they're the opposite of that. They are rubbery cured.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultraleft/comments/1i860so/comment/m9x8wzg/

also don't @ me about being on there

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

These people unironically believe in Gazan imperialism.

I wonder what happened in 1948.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago

Israel exists whether one likes it or not. You can't get rid of the state just by abolishing it in your head - it exists in the real world.

brainworms How can you be a socialist if you want to attack the status quo?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

Israel exists whether one likes it or not. You can't get rid of the state just by abolishing it in your head - it exists in the real world.

so-true

Pissrael is an illegitimate fake state propped up only by the US and the west. It exists as a concentration camp and a hate crime against Palestine to support western imperialist interests in the region, other interpretations of its existence as a "legitimate" state are all delusional zionist propaganda. It isn't "nitpicking terminology" its whether you want to accept reality like Malaysia and Pakistan or continue being a pawn of a genocidal regime.

Therefore, we actually can "get rid of" pretentions of pissrael being anything but a settler-colonial hate crime "by abolishing them in our heads" because they were never fucking real to begin with.

That reddit soyjak running defense for pissraelis is demonstrating how it is possible to generalize the opinions of all western settler colonists as being reactionary and imperialist until proven otherwise.

[+] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do I even want to know what an ultra is?

You should definitely investigate some more. Not the meme sub, but like leftwing critiques.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do I even want to know what an ultra is?

As I understand it it's basically the late 20th century equivalent of the early 20th century's leftcoms, with the difference that at least some of them actually did some things (bad things, generally, but still actual material things). It's an umbrella term covering a number of niche tendencies like Hoxhaists, Gonzalites, and the sort of Maoist that's stuck in a protracted people's war against the local DSA book club.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hoxhaists

These are MLs not ultras.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They come from the same tendency that split from MLs over Khruschev's revisionism, and then split again over China's revisionism as part of the collection of tendencies that turned into like Maoist Third-Worldism and whatnot. "Ultra" doesn't necessarily mean "wrong about everything," it's just a catch-all for all the "too-ideologically-pure for this world, and so at odds with anyone who's ever made a concession to material necessity before" tendencies, if maybe a bit less than leftcoms are that same thing. Like the Hoxhaist critique of China's geopolitical strategy is cogent and accurate, if maybe a bit too harsh since there are material reasons why China has done what it's done. The Chuang Collective are ultras and they wrote and published a detailed history and analysis of Chinese economic development and labor movements and the material conditions China was dealing with post-revolution, for all that they then bookend it with flowery denunciations of "the CCP" [sic] for not being sufficiently ideologically pure and ridiculous calls for China's destruction to bring down the American economy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Hoxhaists are MLs, Maoists are also MLs, and general anti-revesionist types are MLs, they just have a different line on these types of issues which i can respect. Calling them ultras requires a misunderstanding of their ideology. Maoists themselves have many ongoing insurrections in several countries, and have the longest one in historical record. There is something to what they say if they're able to keep from going reformist and stay revolutionary for so long.

You admit yourself they made a good analysis of chinese history and the economy, remember, they just have different conclusions than you.

Leftcoms are ultras, trots + bukharinists are revisionists ultras, MLs and their adherents are on the correct line.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

An evolution of r/stupidpol, White nationalists pretending to be leftcoms, if it's white it's automatically "socialist", if it's "non-white" it's automatically imperialist and racist, as demonstrated in the screenshot above

The sub is split between liberal Zionist genocide denial and a faction that demands Palestinians "get over the genocide" and ally with the "Israeli working class" otherwise Palestinians are "imperialist", that kind of disgusting rancid racism is commonplace in the sub

Anti-tankie radlibs on reddit are constantly tailed by reddit neo-Nazis, and in the case of that sub a clique of semi-insightful neo-Nazis figured out that ultra reddit could be hijacked and corralled into advancing fascist white nationalist talking points by cloaking their posts using ultraleft rhetoric

The sub is the natural extension of anti-tankie "leftism"; the true enemy of socialism isn't American imperialism or fascism, but non-white people and as a result the sub became a nazi bar

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Anti-tankie radlibs on reddit are constantly tailed by reddit neo-Nazis, and in the case of that sub a clique of semi-insightful neo-Nazis figured out that ultra reddit could be hijacked and corralled into advancing fascist white nationalist talking points by cloaking their posts using ultraleft rhetoric

And this has been the case for a while now too. During the 2016 primary, they'd come to pro-Bernie subreddits and sweep the more conspiratorially minded people up. It was blatantly obvious, but so many people never realized what was going on

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I recently learned that some of these clowns don't see liberating the WWII nazi death camps as a win, because it wasn't "revolutionary" and the people who survived had to go on living under capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Those crypto-fascists think they're very clever, but alot of the time their camouflage is extremely obvious and they can't help themselves when their Nazism bubbles to the surface

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Holy shit, I just remembered that a few weeks ago one of them showed up in the TrueAnon sub and started calling the Maori people a "howling culture" who "used to bash babies on rocks" as an argument for why they shouldn't be supported by Marxists in their fight against colonial oppression. I couldn't fucking believe what I was seeing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

maoists aren't ultras, leftcoms are ultras, Ultras suck ass

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

Maybe this should be my wakeup call to always call the USA "Seppoland" even if doing so confuses people -- every time I think, "Well, saying 'USA' is clearer..." I'm subconsciously accepting this dork's "let's not nitpick terminology" logic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Pendragon1948

many such cases.