Russia's Losses as of July 4th, 2023 : worldnews

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't care who you support, this would be a bad and biased source

[–] Burstar 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's also the only source that publishes. Oryx documentation indicates direct photographic evidence for 50% of the numbers listed here and when you consider that most Russian losses are in areas not easily photographed by civilians this is a strong indicator these reports have some basis in reality. That said, I agree these numbers should absolutely be taken with a grain of salt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I think between Oryx, various leaks, etc. I've come to assume that UA General Staff numbers are probably optimistic (from Ukraine's PoV) but plausible.

Considering the fog of war, and Russia's own obfuscation from their own people, plus institutional obfuscation¹, the UA General Staff numbers are a good indicator as they are repeatable. It's like if your bathroom scale is always 10% high, you can still use it to track your latest fad diet as long as it's repeatable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

the source (UA general staff) is obviously biased, yes, but we don't know how good or bad it is yet

here's the original source (yes it's facebook): https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua/posts/pfbid029Hp57mafK62hrb2gQMqQfL8inL45TErQCHSSQWgsBBGvLQZGW7u275LDutt7QZpJl

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I’m deleting this comment, what I thought was just an observation seemed to upset instead.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah way more Iraqi civilians died.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That’s a great point. War is so stupid. I bet the collateral numbers from this war will also be depressing

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Yep, and as long as war is profitable for the US it will always be something the US is looking to engage in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Think about WWII numbers. About 1,100,000 Soviets died in the Battle of Stalingrad alone.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe it is because the US invaded a third world country to steal their resources and destabilize it politically and economically in assimetrical warfare and here it a world power against NATO? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I absolutely LOVE how you're shitting on Americam imperialism here, when Russia is doing the exact same thing you're complaining about? You know, the whole invading Ukraine to steal their resources and destabilize it politically thing, or is it OK when the country is next door instead? 🙂

Russia should continue to be glad they aren't actually fighting NATO yet, they can hardly beat the Ukrainians as it is.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The invasion of Ukraine cannot be compared in terms of war crimes to what the US did in West Asia, have you heard of Operation Awe and Shock? I'm not saying that what Russia is doing is perfectly fine, my point is that you all people sound crickets when it's about a non-white, non-imperial core country, you give a fuck, you are just paying attention to this because Russia has been made enemy number 1 of the West during the last hundred years. You don't give a fuck about Hawai'ian independence, you don't give a fuck about a Puerto Rican independence, you don't give a fuck about any of the West colonies. When you all people really get a grip of reality and can manage to evaluate everything as equals then a real conversation can happen around the current events in Ukraine, otherwise it's just you all excusing about the West atrocities and saying it's not so bad but making a lot of noise when this shit happens.

How are they not fighting NATO if NATO trains soldiers, provides weapons, provides support, money and basically everything? What does fighting NATO looks like, then? Because as far as I know it's the same. What's the difference, the US goes thermonuclear and eliminates the human race with nukes, is that fighting NATO enough?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Only a fraction of the currently active troops in Ukraine have received training from NATO, only a fraction are armed with NATO weaponry, and Ukraine hasn't received significant amounts of aircraft, which is the linchpin to the entire NATO offensive strategy.

So if Russia is struggling to make the progress it has against a force that ISN'T fully armed with NATO weaponry and strategy, it stands to reason they would fare even worse against NATO itself.

The rest of your post is lot of words without much of a point. So Russia should be allowed to invade Ukraine and commit atrocities against their people because... the United States did bad things in the past? But if its awful when the United States does it why would you support Russia also doing it?

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No, I want to see you on some post that doesn't include the West, you give a fuck about the rest of the world, you just pinpoint whatever your nazi bourgeois overlords tell you to, the rest of us can die and you won't blink an eye.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Don't talk to this asshole. They don't argue in good faith and love to shit on the west with their whataboutism. This isn't the first post I've seen this joker in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

People like this are rarely worth engaging with but I believe there's value to the community when their statements are publically challenged.

But yeah you're right, I'm definitely not changing any minds here ha

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

This is literally the first post I've made on this platform haha.'nazi bourgeois overlords' is a meaningless word-salad, and by this point you're really reaching.

You don't care about the rest of the world, you would laugh watching Africans and East Asian's die, all you do is swallow the propaganda your fascist elitist masters tell you to.

Didn't that sound crazy? How that sounded to you, is how what you said sounded to me.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

America is better at war. Shock and Awe was effective. War is an atrocity, to be good at it you have to be willing to commit atrocities. If Russia had started out with a similar strategy Ukraine might be an occupied territory of Russia right now. I don't support any invasion, but if you decide to invade a country you need to hit them hard before they have time to organize their defense. I think Russia had some weird Idea that Ukraians were going to welcome them as liberators. I think this is because the Russian government began to believe their own propaganda. Putin surrounds himself with people who tell him what he wants to hear.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

The diagram is roughly, all Russian losses since the start of invasion

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Bad diagram: The comparison period is missing. Is it +- vs yesterday, vs last month, vs last year? Nobody knows and thats why the deltas are meaningless.

[–] Burstar 12 points 2 years ago

It's a daily report with totals for all the way up to the start of Russia's attempt at Kyiv in February of last year. The deltas are simply the change from yesterday's report, and so on...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

These have been daily deltas for a long time, this chart comes out every day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It’s daily

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I believe the delta is 1 day. The Ukrainian defense ministry has been posting some variation of these infographics on Facebook each day since the war started.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

this is a daily report. Yes it's not great that it doesn't say so on the graphic itself but it's a graphic that is originally posted in an article that provides the right context

edit: the UA general staff apparently post it on Facebook of all places: https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua/posts/pfbid029Hp57mafK62hrb2gQMqQfL8inL45TErQCHSSQWgsBBGvLQZGW7u275LDutt7QZpJl

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

32 arty, that's pretty good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Do the missil losses count the ones that were fired and used as intended, or only the ones that were destroyed before being used?

[–] Burstar 3 points 2 years ago

I believe the missile losses count as ones that were successfully intercepted.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Ukraine reporting about Russia, let me be skeptical.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

They weren't too far off from the Pentagon's estimates the last time they published. It's not like they are saying that 30 Himar platforms were destroyed yesterday

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

They weren't too far off from the Pentagon's estimates the last time they published.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't get it, are those exponentials? But why the +0 then, they could've just put 1...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are not exponents. I believe they indicate the additional numbers lost on July 4.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Russia losing more troops then there are atoms in the known universe would be quite a feat.

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