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[–] [email protected] 318 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Speaking to CBS, the BBC's US partner, on Sunday, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said that the online rhetoric has been "extraordinarily alarming".

"It speaks of what is really bubbling here in this country," he said. "And unfortunately we see that manifested in violence, the domestic violent extremism that exists."

Did he care about the domestic violent extremism before it started to affect the wealthy? What about the domestic terrorists who go after the queer community, POC communities, women, doctors providing reproductive healthcare...the list goes on.

Violent extremism isn't new here. It's just that this one affects people with power.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

Yeah, the rules of society say they won and they think all the losers beneath them just have to accept it. The social order and status quo are great for them. That something would violate it is extremely disturbing to them and provokes an emotional response.

I think that's why they seem to be so clumsily overreacting to the murder. Maybe it's working in segments of the population I don't see, but everyone in my social network is either outright happy it happened or at least get why it happened. Some will have perfunctory "murder is wrong" statements, but the thrust is about what a corrupt and evil business health insurance is. That's all the way up to the boomers and crosses political boundaries.

Things like the perp walk, excessive charges, and corporate comedy pretending everyone just thinks Mangione is a bad guy just highlights the us vs. them of class war rather than trying to somehow quell or redirect the bubbling unrest. I think they're doing this because their peers and masters are emotionally demanding a visible and recognizable show of power and obedience. If they knew what was good for them they'd be triple-timing it to make some token effort to reform the system, but even a token effort in response to the killing of a rich person would infuriate them, so clumsy performances it is.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

When my usually "civil" boomer dad said he gets why he did it and wasn't outright condemning him, I knew the ruling class wasn't in control of the narrative as per usual this time.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My 75 year old Canadian aunt laughed when I showed her this

Everyone hates these people except the people who want to be these people.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I'm actually rather impressed that so many people get what's actually happening here. I don't know if it'll ultimately amount to anything, but it shows that it is actually possible to get through to people sometimes. It's a shame that no avenue but violence has been left to us to do so.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think most people have known about the situation for years. Apathy isn't a result of disinterest or lack of care, it's a result of lack of agency and lack of hope. Now both of those are slightly more on the table.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

You’ve got far right militias blowing up America’s electric grid infrastructure, threatening politicians, having standoffs on federal property, and patrolling hurricane impacted areas trying to capture federal employees that are there helping, and I’ve never heard those people referred to as terrorists.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What about the domestic terrorist corporations who assassinate whistleblowers? Or are there so many hands involved there that it’s not worth the trouble to dismantle those terrorist organizations?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

What about them? They just got their picks elected as the next president and dipshit-in-chief.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Did he care about the domestic violent extremism before it started to affect the wealthy?

No, not at all. They're only mad because for the first time, the elite feel mortal.

You ever heard of the "less dead", well, Brian Thompson is "more dead"

And for those who haven't "Less Dead" is a saying used to describe people who's deaths the police don't look into because they're "not important enough"

Many serial killers get away with their crimes simply because they're smart enough to only kill those who would be deemed "less dead"

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Its fucked up the news is acting like Sandy Hook wasn't a decade ago. All this guy is accused of is shooting a CEO.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 5 months ago

Sandy hook was instead normalized, and happens multiple times over across the nation annually. Pew pew ‘muricuh

[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe if it happens enough, we can normalize billionaire CEO murder as well.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago (1 children)

CEO or not, billionaires gotta go

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The problem here is the frequency of the crimes. If CEOs were being shot on a weekly to bi weekly average in groups of 3 or more, this crime would become one of the many others the American media wash over.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That sounds like a challenge

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We've come a long way with fun trends. Planking, owling, cat breading, an now CEOing, what a time to live in

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

They got Luigi'd!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Indeed, the powerful would be left on their own like they left our children on their own. Only unlike our kids, they could do something about it....

The billionaires would be totally "scrooged", better share the wealth assholes. A poor man, isn't a murdered man.

cackle

Well, I can dream....

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The terrorism "charges" are laughably flimsy and clearly contrived. Trumped Up, you might say.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago

The terrorism charge is absolutely the dumbest thing they did. Now it's on them to prove it was more than just murder.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 5 months ago (11 children)

This makes me believe it really wasn't him. If he actually wrote a manifesto, he'd have declared himself guilty, taken credit, and done a speech about how he was now a martyr for the cause.

If he's sticking to his story, then I believe him. They couldn't find the real killer so they just went with whoever "fit the description", as per usual.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Innocent until proven guilty. It's the government's job to prove him guilty. He doesn't have to help them.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't explain why he keeps mogging the camera, or what he yells to the journalist in that one video.

I don't know if it's him, but I think whoever it is, is just following their lawyer's advice, not trying to be a martyr

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The thing is they've actually made a mistake charging him with terrorism. It is surprisingly narrowly defined so even without a sympathetic jury he might get a not guilty verdict for it and it weakens the whole case against him. But most of all by including it they've made all his intentions and politics central issues to the case. All the evidence and his statements about this will have to go into the public record. If he had pleaded guilty that wouldn't happen nor would there be a chance for jury annulment. Pleading not guilty is simply the smarter option to take.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t be surprised if he was in New York on some legitimate business, they caught him on camera at a Starbucks near the murder, blasted his image all over the news and social media, and just waited for someone to call.

Then when they got the call, they grabbed a backpack with “evidence” and claimed he had it on him when they arrested him.

Did anyone believe that he was wondering around for 3 days with a bag that was holding the murder weapon, fake IDs, and a hand written manifesto? He ditched another bag, and escaped on an e-bike. Why would he then run around for three days with the rest of the evidence.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean last I counted he had like 200000 alibis so...

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago

Luigi Mangione was with me December 3rd, 2024 through December 7th, 2024. He couldn't possibly have been in New York since i don't live there.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In addition to a long stream of journalists waiting for the suspect to appear, members of the public - almost all of them young women - were in court, some of whom told CBS, the BBC's US partner, that they were there to show their support.

(emphasis mine)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They're really trying to say that "Oh he's handsome, that's why people like him."

No it's not his looks, it's the fact that he lit the fires of rebellion just be being accused of this act of self-defense.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

And he looked fabulous doing so

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

Maybe the lack of quick access to life saving resources, procedures and experts immediately after the shooting, aka 'healthcare', was what actually killed him?

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