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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Remove lemm.ee

While not as openly awful as SJW or similar shitshows, the instance has always had a tendency towards reactionary sentiment and anticommunism, and their users are just awful debate perverts, as examplified by this post where some MRA idiot liberal antifeminist barges into c/traaaaaa and tries to turn a trans debate into "not all men" bs. It's not the only problematic post in that thread, but the other one has already been removed. This is now the state of our trans comms. This has been going on steadily since federation started and it doesn't get better, it is the new status quo on hexbear. That's the reason why this will be my last post under this account, and why i will post not even remotely as often under my new handle.

I know this is still an unpopular opinion around here, but i'm sick of this entire failed federation experiment. You've had the mistaken idea that there could be a compromise between keeping the site as a safer space for trans people on one hand and "reaching out to and propagandizing" a couple dozen techbros and a couple hundred redditors on the other. And it really shows when i look at the queer spaces on hexbear, so many trans longtime users on here have massively reduced posting, we've gone from being "the most trans inclusive non-trans space on the internet" to "we also have moretankie_egg_irl". Seriously, that's what it feels like nowadays to me, there's a very palpable change in the quality of posts on queer subjects because with the old guard receding, most of them are now made by eggs and closet cases who haven't yet worked through their internalized transphobia and transmedicalism and are therefore unable to educate others, offer substantial community support, push for actual queer liberation instead of assimilationism and have in-depth discussions about radical views on transness that would be drowned out by the lib shit on reddit.

You can't build effective, radicalizing queer communities like that. In a structurally queerphobic society, you need not necessarily elders, but users who've at least already been through the most pressing struggles baby queers are facing to offer them guidance and help them to be themselves instead of trying to fit into a social structure that rejects them. We used to have that, back in the day threads about coming out or struggling with dysphoria or gender experimentation would have a ton of helpful, supportive comments and now it's just a bunch of eggs all having the same issue with nobody to show them a perspective not tainted by cisnormativity and internalized transphobia. We've gone from being a support structure aimed to build trans resistence to being a circlejerk of trans mysery. Trying to offer advice in such a setting is just such a draining task, i do not feel up to that when it feels as if i have to do it on my own. We've lost so much because you just had to federate with places overrun by reddit shitheads. And that's just a sad thing to say about the first place where i tried out my pronouns. This site was a home for me, it used to literally make me laugh out loud every day, now it's just a tedious stream of half-decent half shit takes i can't bring myself to care about. Breaks my fucking heart, but what can you do?

It's time to move on now. Farewell, comrades.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

https://hexbear.net/post/913975 Defederate from Lemmygrad

Wasnt aware it was supposed to go here, what is the fediverse comm for?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I brought up my perspective in the other post and to be fair I don't really know how the defed process works but if this is a voting thing I vote against defederation.

I've seen lots of positive interactions with lemmygrad users, more than any other instance by far, and if defed from them we might as well just dump federation all together.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

(I'm only posting here since the thread got locked. I don't actually want to defed from Lemmygrad at this time anyways.)

Them, a bunch of soyjaks: Nooooooo, we need to keep downvotes, how do we show displeasure at lib posts noooooo

Me, a gigachad: We should get rid of upvotes as well and retvrn to phpBB forums.

But seriously, that admin is full of shit and always had sus vibes to me. Upvotes and downvotes only came about in Web 2.0 social media sites and even then, it's mostly a Reddit thing. Old-school forums didn't have any of that bullshit. It's very obvious that upvotes/downvotes are used to drive up engagement (people get mad that the wrong thing got upvoted/downvoted) as well as provide a quantifiable metric that the algo, which purposely feeds people angry slop that further drives engagement, can use. So their nonsense of "getting rid of downvotes is lib" is just that, nonsense. The real lib move is to keep the upvote/downvote paradigm that was set up by a shitty social media corporation. Mao's Combat Liberalism, if they are so inclined to consider a shitty Reddit clone as a form of combating liberalism, stipulates that we're supposed to actually explain shit to people, not press a shitty downvote button.

Their grips about the evil Hexbearian somehow imposing their site culture on their instance is also nonsense. First of all, they (and the vast majority of Lemmy instances) don't have a unique site culture. They're just Reddit clones with the same shitty Reddit-derived semblance of site culture. Oh no, their genzedong-derived culture will have to change. How will they possibly cope. Second of all, a prominent Hexbear user advocating for good changes to make their instance less shitty isn't imposition. Have Hexbear admins threaten the Lemmygrad admins to defederate Hexbear from Lemmygrad? Did Hexbears do a brigardino^TM^ and mass upvoted your comments? No, we have not. The OP of that thread is a Lemmygrad user, as demonstrated by the numerous posts on Hexbear using a Lemmygrad account, so they can't accuse us of creating alts and trying to change their instance from within. And finally, getting rid of downvotes isn't even exclusively a Hexbear thing since the chasers over at blahaj had done so as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

should be unlocked now, so you can post it over there

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I already 100% supported this when you first brought it up, but i have to repeat this after having had another run-in with one of their usual mysogynist debatebro pigs earlier who was getting off about "dishonorable" sex workers on lemmy.ml. Fuck lemmygrad, it's become a reactionary shithole full of redditor brainrot. Fuck federation in its entirity, this thing has been a total shit show. Defederate from everything, i don't want this site to become micro reddit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

cat-trans happen to have a link im compiling dumb shit

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's all deleted, but look up the modlogs for a user named CountryBreakfast. Make sure to check out his older deleted posts as well, his hornyposts may make it kinda doubtful that he's arguing this from the feminist perspective that he claims.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jesus. So self righteous about doing right by women but can't even bother to cw for people who have actually experienced violence.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah, everything about that guy comes off as him just hating sex workers, not sex work. I mean, even moreso than your average SWERF, that guy doesn't even pretend to be some white liberal patronizing feminist like they do. If i would have had a different impression, i would have engaged with him in good faith, but not like that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I vote to remain federated with Lemmygrad. If I have a chance I'll discuss why later.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Remove SJW bc its full of fascists and reactionaries.

https://sh.itjust.works/

Also allow me to personally ban them if they cone back :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seconded. This was one too many. They aren't even libs they're chuds.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Poison_Ivy and AntiOutsideAktion are right. Half of the place is openly fascist, and the other half is cryptofascist.

There can't be any good faith discussion in that place.

I regret voting in favor of federating with them.

Sorry, comrades.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Copied and pasted from @[email protected] 's thread

Defederate programming.dev

I don't think I really need to explain much, their admins are transphobic. stalin-smokin

https://hexbear.net/post/1587342

One branch that ended up getting triggered due to the frontend snowe uses on mobile not showing pronouns (how most instances handle it currently is its appended to the end of the display name but some frontends choose to ignore the display name and just do the username instead)

Ategon, lead admin, refers to a transgender person as 'triggered' over the transgender person asking for proper pronoun usage from the other lead admin, snowe. Snowe also complained about that transgender person being offended. Ategon said this in an 'apology' post che-smile

Textbook very-smart

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hey, one of the people in question here. Just wanted to clear up a bit of a misunderstanding. Use of the word triggered was referring to the conversation being started by a certain action rather than using it to describe the person. (branch refers to a branch of the conversation and the action is the thing after triggered). Ive edited the post to change the word to started to make it a bit more clear

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

@[email protected]

can we defed from ponder.cat ?

its a one user instance and the admin is unironically doing this

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

removed ponder.cat from our allow-list

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Shit Just Works Programming Lemmee

I must say, however, I would not be sad to see us defed from all but the Grad.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Huge agree that programming(.)dev needs to go. Lemmee has tons of sucky users but has also brought a small handful of comrades our way. I'd like to see it go too, but I haven't seen a single instance of anything positive at all from programming, just reactionary weirdo shit.

Simply put, I think we would lose a lot of bad and lose a bit of good from defedding lemmee, but defedding programming would lose a moderate amount of bad and zero good.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I nominate thelemmy.club. There's a grand total of two users who came out of this instance.

Unhinged Zionist who posts Zionist garbage.

Unhinged alt of a Hexbear account.

There's more of these alts. I think we have experienced all that this instance has to offer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Noooooooo

(I'm the instance admin, @[email protected] there. I love y'all and am more active on HB side of the fediverse than the other. I have no idea why this lonely sad person continues to harass HB using my instance. I am going to restrict signups to applications only and see if I can better manage this issue before changing it again.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

done, thank you

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

IMO [email protected] should be defederated, all of its posts are bot spam

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

SJW for blocklist, their instance has been nothing but a cesspool of bigotry, liberal ideology, and cryptofascism. Their mods are disingenuously censoring us whenever they find it convenient, for no reason in particular (i believe they have even removed your own comments). Their userbase has been rabid in their anticommunism, and some of them being just straight up nazis. Their banning is very popular. They are hated with a burning passion. Shit Just Works must go.

I also advocate blocking programming.dev, since it has been almost as violently reactionary as Shit just works. They are frequently referred to as the nazi or gamer instance. They constantly walk into our own posts to be bigoted, and then run away crying to anyone who will listen about "evil tankie censorship".

I also advocate for banning lemmy.ml and lem.ee, or anything that isn't lemmygrad and a few of the smaller communities like the star trek and pricefield one

While I don't have as much pure vitriol, the constant dunk culture and their own reactionary sectors rearing their heads, have created an unsafe atmosphere. Various users have complained about how the constant hostility is ruining this internet safe space. If Dunkers want to dunk, they can make a lemmygrad account to do so, they can fight lemmy.world there too. We don't need an atmosphere of constant arguing with bad faith liberals in every single post. An average mildly controversial post will have 400 comments, all arguments that rarely lead anywhere before mods can intervene. There will be long time users that leave because of this, dunking a few liberals who skip our constant well sourced explanations isnt worth losing them. For every hypothetical liberal we gain, a few hexbears will leave due to the unsafe atmosphere. People shouldn't walk into their safespace to constantly see reactionaries constantly reducing the arguments to worthless name calling.

We are getting to angry, this entire sight is now a bitter place, and it will never stop. We aren't supposed to be reddit, this place is supposed to be different. We'll be just fine with lemmygrad. Hexbear does not need the ultraliberals.

I wrote this like 5 hours ago and then fell asleep lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Defederate from chapo.chat. The old must die as the new struggles to be born. Shrekland can stay though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

szmer.info

This appeared in my feed today. Not sure if they’re marking posts as English or just unspecified but all of their content is in Polish.

What stance should we take on instances that don’t correctly tag language? On one hand, browser translation makes it relatively easy to engage, and more languages especially helps to recruit non-Western-Anglo users. But on the other hand, it seems like a mess if our users can’t control the language of their feeds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

We shouldn't federate. The community is perfectly fine as is and introducing outside communities will only hurt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

lemmy.world for now, they are already defederated on their end, and according to some comments are possibly working with feds to resolve the CSAM incident that led to closing of comm and rule changes (which is good for finding out who did the terrible thing, but also a risk for anyone federated)