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I'm fairly new and don't 100% understand it yet, but instances are run on servers that require money. Are we heading towards seeing ads or subscriptions to raise funds instead of relying on donations to cover overhead?

Especially with the influx of new users. Hardware upgrades are needed.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not really clear on the way the networking works with federated systems.

Say that an instance decided to charge a subscription fee, would they then have to defederate from free instances on a cost basis alone? To handle server load for requests from those instances?

Or, say that subscription was sustainable, would there be anything stopping someone from making a free instance to give users full access to that subscription-based content? The answer there is defederation right?

Trying to work out in my head how this system could be scalable without communities becoming walled gardens and thus removing part of the appeal of federation.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I could see someone trying to sell ads on their instance. But ya I can't imagine many people would join unless they had some other features that are better than other instances.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Hmm. In the old days, pretty much every ISP ran a Usenet server. The cost was covered as part of your internet connection bill, it was just part of the service.

I could see a potential future where running a Lemmy instance became table-stakes for ISPs, like Usenet used to be.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I think there should be some monetization. Otherwise how will people pay for the server costs. Maybe small ads placed in the platform across the fediverse?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The Fediverse will never be monetized. It's open by nature, instances are maintained by donations and out of the administrator's pocket. Why? Because they have a passion for it.

Even if someone chooses to monetize one instance, people will move to another that isn't monetized. It's free and open by design, and will always be that way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I’ll bet money that multiple people will successfully monetize parts of it.

At the very least, my guess is some small shops will build businesses around apps that offer enhanced users experiences, but for fees. I’d be willing to pay for premium experiences that were well maintained.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

No insult intended but as you say, new here, rtfm a while before complaining.

Yeah, it is a good idea for you to pay. How's two bucks s month sound? No ads, no tracking, no personal data theft, the ability to change instances if the one you're on goes fascist/corporate/whatever you dislike. Code you could actually modify.

No CEO whims, no need for "growth" I'm that ever increasing destruction mode.

It's different than corporate media. Those of us old enough remember the early internet and beyond, bbsing. This fedi shit is the good shit. Adapt! It's pretty fkn great.

Lol it's sucks now! Lol from the hyuuge influx of new people, new code, changes and a taste of chaos. I love this.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

It IS monetized - right now by donations/crowdfunding.

What we need is for people to be more open to supporting what they want via micro-payments, regular donations, because that's the way to say NO to advertising which brings in virtually no income for the amount of time and bandwidth it consumes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Municipal👏 Social👏 Media👏

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

hopefully the cost of running it is not so much and all users chip in to a degree to keep it going.

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