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I wanted to get a pulse check on how new members are finding the general experience/website. Is it more confusing than Reddit or are you finding the instance system a better way of doing things as it can give you more freedom of where you choose to create an account?

I'm a new user myself but have found the experience to remind me of Reddit back in the day, lol. It's definitely giving me old-school yet modern vibes and it's great to see something that isn't Reddit growing in popularity!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

The interface is nice and friendly, but the way the fediverse and the different instances works is kind of confusing. Still not sure what that's all about

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'm loving a the idea and finding a bunch of nice people in communities :) The only thing I'm finding is that things seem to be creaking a lot, as I'm getting a lot of timeouts and such when I'm using Jerboa to upvote and search.

All in all though, it's great :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

One question I still have is how quickly posts and comments propagate across the Fediverse. How can I be sure the comment I'm writing actually shows up across other instances, and how long after I write it does it take on average to show up other places?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'd be interested in navigation shortcuts, similar to RES. J/K to move up and down, X to expand post content. Made it very easy to navigate Reddit. Not sure if that's a thing on Lemmy or not...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Very good so far. I understand that server owners are needing to make changes to optimize for a large number of users migrating, so any slowdowns or service issues are completely understandable.

I really like the idea of a federated "reddit style" forum. Gives power back to the users.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Fine.

To be fair, I used Mastodon long before Elon acquired twitter, so I'm pretty comfortable with federated social media. The fragmentation inherent to federation might make small communities difficult to form, but it also protects against the eternal specter of power-tripping mods, so I can't complain.

I just hope it doesn't have the same memory utilization as the Mastodon web client. Seriously. I flat-out can't leave a single Mastodon tab open in the background, because it'll eat all my RAM. No other social media I've used does this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Having trouble creating a community. Wanted to create a Rimworld and a Hunt showdown community but it's taking ages. Otherwise, great! I don't even miss Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I find it easier than using mastodon for the first time tbh

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The one thing I'm struggling with is how do I find a subreddit equivalent? For example r/formula1 or r/UKpolitics on Reddit might be.... What?

Also is it possible to find these communities using Jerboa or so I need to login on my desktop?

Edit - spelling

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Many specific subreddits don't have equivalents yet; check Communities (top bar on website)/All. On Jerboa the Communities button is the three dots on the bottom bar: https://reddthat.com/post/8623

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly im loving the experience and even though its getting big because of all the reddit drama, im loving the small communities feel that it has for now. I have to say though that navigation cross instances its being a bit of a headache and i hope it gets better, much better. At least it should notify me that i am not able to see the rest of the comments on a post because of some settings of the instances / my account no? Or am i missing something?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As far as I understand, if two instances are federatee, all posts and comments within shared communities are visible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Ok so if im not seeing other comments in the "straylight villa" instance of lemmy because my "lemmy.world" instance and that one are not "friends" right? So how would one solve this? Is it up to the mods of both instances to find an agreement or is it one sided where an instance can decide to be federated with another one or not?T hanks for your comment!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I definitely do agree with the old school vibes, I wasn't really born in that era of the internet, but it really is giving me those vibes.

Overall though, I'm finding it pretty intuitive. Certainly better than other social medias. I've tried tumblr and Twitter, just can't get the hang of them yknow?

I definitely prefer reddits app ui though. But I might just be so used to it anything else just feels weird.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So, honestly, the only thing that concerns me is duplication of various "subreddits", for a lack of better term.

I searched for Technology, and I found two different ones. I know that's how the Fediverse works, but it may cause confusion and drive down user engagement

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

The user fragmentation is going to make it hard for communities to reach critical mass.

Explain Like I'm Five is a subreddit where niche experts come out of the woodwork to make the sub phenomenal. However, that doesn't work if those users are split over 100 different subs named the same thing on different servers.

I think the subs/communities need to automatically mirror or aggregate, but I'm not sure if that's practical with this platform topology.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

That happened a lot on Reddit too, but eventually one will win out and people will migrate to the one with the most activity

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It seems that there's some missing middle-management link conversion that someone needs to release.

If someone makes a post saying (and I'm making up links here, don't click them) - there's a new reddit-equivalent community at https://lemmy.world/c/whatever come join! ....that's only telling us half the story.

So newbies click this link and oh they have to create a lemmy.world account? What about if they already created a lemmy.one account? Do they need multiple accounts? We know they don't, but they don't know that yet.

Even experienced users can't make use of that link at all, and this is the crux of the issue. Every link given out has to be some sort of [email protected] variant. And you have to manually search for that or manually enter it. It's 2023 and this renders your hyperlink unclickable and that much trickier to use.

On mobile I assume it's even harder, or even mobile-to-desktop or desktop-to-mobile.

There needs to be a one-click way to subscribe to communities using the instance you're logged into without all the back and forth.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I think my experience can be best summed up by:

404: FetchError: invalid json response body at http://lemmy:8536/api/v3/site

Jokes aside, the web portal is pretty great. Jerboa seems... like it needs some polish.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I like it here.

The content isn't here yet, the UI needs a review, but its funcional and cool.

We just need to get everyone here and endure the growing pains as lemmy matures.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I like the idea and KBin's software looks really nice. My concern is that it just won't have the critical mass needed to get what I got out of Reddit: niche subs. On Reddit, every single game has its own individual sub and they're all active. That's not gonna work here.

I did set up [email protected] and [email protected], but I don't know if these will take off, and I'm not going to bother trying with individual fighting games or smaller indie titles.

Also, I'm intrigued that KBin is able to talk to Mastodon and Pleroma, but I can't seem to find myself. I search for @missingno but nothing shows up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It doesn't feel ready for mass adoption.

The difficulty of finding ~~subreddits~~communities is a problem. And, when you do find one, nine times out of ten the link you click takes you to a different Lemmy server, from which you cannot join the community.

And then there's the problem of fragmentation and duplication, which has been explained better by other users on this thread.

There are lots of little problems here and there, like the language defaulting to "Undetermined" which hides your post from everyone who just naively selected English.

Fortunately, I'm (reasonably) technically-competent so I can make it work for me, and I recognise that even getting this far with development is a massive achievement. But I'm pretty sure the average internet user isn't going to stick around until the project's a bit more polished and mature.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Seems pretty reasonable, even the federated stuff works fine - unlike Mastodon, oddly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

So far, so good. Excited to see more variety in communities as more users discover and migrate to lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Once I added a few different instances it became much better! Content will come. But the best users from Reddit will migrate along with us!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Which instances did you add?

I’m finding the lack of comments to be the most jarring thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's not a single middle eastern sub, and I doubt there ever will be😞

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Be the change you wanna see!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

For me I'm just worries that it wouldn't reach the critical mass to generate enough content to keep people around 🥲

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Interface is better than "new" Reddit, not as good as old Reddit + RES.

Also: if I click on a link on another instance (for example https://lemmy.ml/c/asklemmy when I'm signed in on lemmy.world), I'm not signed in to lemmy.ml so I have to manually search for it in lemmy.world to post there - is there a common solution to that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Worried about the future of fediverse, all it takes is a few external bad apples and servers will start defederating. Also even less internal bad apples who decides to make specific desirable features proprietary with the goal to amass the majority to users. Both of these are bad for the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It’s welcoming but confusing. I think there’s two reasons for the latter:

1- Many of us forget how basic Reddit was when we first started using it, and the features we all know and love got added over time and repeatedly refined based on use.

2- Most of us here are because we have been users of incredibly well designed apps crafted by developers with a passion for great UI. If I try using the (new) Reddit site or their default app, I find myself equally confused.

There are still so many changes happening in Lemmy functionality, and as we’ve seen with Mastodon, we will hopefully soon be overwhelmed with great apps.

In the meantime there’s the great community already here and growing. I saw a comment that you can estimate that Reddit has 90% lurkers, 9% commenters, 0.9% posters, and 0.1% “community builders” I think it’s those latter groups who are leading the exodus, which is great news for us and terrible news for whoever ends up owning Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm using Jeroba on android and I think it's pretty solid so far, considering how new it is. It has more than I expected it to, it just needs time to get developed more. There's a few features I want to go make github issues to request, but they're nothing critical.

And I agree with your last paragraph completely. I think most people using third party apps were not lurkers. Most of them were probably using a 3pa because they had been for years, from the time when the reddit app was either nonexistent or even worse than tosay, or had found the reddit app too annoying to comment and post with. They're people who use reddit so much on their phone that the official app is too annoying and ugly to tolerate.

And seeing how many mods are ip in arms about the mod tools they use, it seems like reddit is really shooting itself in the foot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wonder if the Reddit board really appreciate how hard it is going to be to find large numbers of new mods. Being thick-skinned enough to cope with being hated by so many people for so many contradictory reasons while also being flexible and responsive and ready to plough through piles of work for free isn’t a combination of qualities many people have…

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I like the concept
But it feels very much like its been designed by nerdy developers and has had little to no-input on user friendly design.

The federated idea can work but it needs to be more seemless than this.

  1. Communities with the same name should be merged when viewing it from any instance, so you can see all the posts from these communities, they can be moderated seperatley and for advanced users you should be able to select which communities make up the merged community.
  2. By default you should see all of the merged communities in a central place and be able to subscribe to them easily, at the moment its handled different per instance but you have to seek out these communities to subscribe or follow them.
  3. I strongly believe there should be a centralised log-in system, so you can log into any instance with an account from another instance, this means if your instance goes down your account is centralised and is safe.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Regarding point three: I want to be able to migrate my profile to another instance if my current instance has performance issues or admins going rogue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think even better, you should be able to sign into any instance via some type of centralised federated login, though I guess the argument is you can't do that in multiple email clients as email is the most popular federated example.

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