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Like it's only so long until a user there posts a dumbass "Kick Tankies out of Lemmy" meme to try and start shit to get us defedded and hexbears take the bait immediately and pile on to tell them what a dumbass they are.

Like as dumb as the "death to NATO" being compared to "death to the people of NATO" stuff was, blahaj and hexbear are the largest queer instances and I quite like taking part in it and their trans communities, idk it's kinda nice to interact with people who don't have the same kind of hexbear brainrot where I see the words "pumpkin spice", "Maoist cult", "Soyfacing PMC radlib" or "rock stacking" and immediately start to go :sus: mentally, it feels refreshing to be able to talk to an incredibly queer positive community that doesn't have the same kind of internet poisoning as all of us. And it seems kind of assholy that some of the users here just don't give a shit and want to post and dunk until we get defedded by every instance, this isn't like lemmy.ca where they were all dicks that none of us liked anyway and were complaining about us doing hate speech against fucking landlords or lemm.ee where almost every time time a user from there pops their head into our threads here they say something racist or transphobic. iirc blahaj.zone was actually the second most requested instance to federate with in the pre federation discussions due to how good of a queer space it was.

Like their first defed thread was a complete embarrassment because there were a load of users there that actually had positive opinions towards us and then they saw the shitshow happening once from the post reaching active and changed to be way against us which tbh, fair enough.

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statements from the head mod Ada:

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

After that "people of NATO" bullshit, I don't see the administrative team (the admins and mods collectively) of blahaj operating in good faith. My comment about the bad faith that other instances engage in applies as much to blahaj as the other instances like lemmy.ca. If they truly believe in the vision and strategic goals of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, they can just say so without hiding behind some ridiculous excuse. I'm sure Stoltenberg and various other generals in command of a giant military are quaking in their boots about some obscure website wishing for their collective deaths.

Most of the users seem to be cool enough, but the administrative team is a major obstacle, and frankly, I do not like it and do not believe it is fair that we have to change our behavior while they don't have to do shit. How is this fair? We have a stickied "Amendments to the Code of Conduct regarding the Fediverse" issued by an admin, so what have they done in return? Apparently, our admins went out of their way to delete a post for their sake, so when are their admins going to delete the "fuck tankies" banner on their largest and most active comm? And this will not be the end of it, mark my words. They'll demand more and more, ever slowly chipping away at what makes Hexbear Hexbear. If they want to demonstrate that they're operating in good faith, they need to compromise as well.

But I'm already wasting my time. In the second of meta discussion on blahaj about Hexbear (which I will not link because that would be bRigAdInG), everyone is giving the same tired excuses (tankies, emote spam, Ukraine) about why they want to defed from us. It's going to happen one way or another. I just wish the admins here didn't have to humiliate themselves in the process.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 years ago (46 children)

their banner image literally says "fuck tankies"

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 years ago (1 children)

as cringe as it is that blahaj.zone hosts an explicitly anti-communist comm for a community half full of chasers, blahaj zone as a whole is pretty cool and i wouldn't like to see it defedded

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

fair, though if it does get defedded, you can always make an account over there, i had to for some furry instances that were deemed too risque to be federated

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah ig, I'd just rather be able to spend time in both at the same time rather than just one at a time

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Whining about brigading and NATO are clear signs of terminal Reddit brainworms, so I'm not very optimistic about the long-term prospects for federation

But more than that, creating special rules for their weird Vaushite shitposting instance is not it imo

Frankly I was against federating with shitjustworks because they host an explicitly anti-communist comm and I'm having trouble seeing why I should feel differently about blahj

Edit: Just saw their new meta discussion on Hexbear, which despite not having a single comment from us is still full of whining, crying liberals

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago

trying to retake r/196 years after was taken over by vaushits is cringe, it's an old meme, let it die

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I blocked c/196, because I absolutely don't trust myself not to see some anticommunist bullshit and go in guns blazing. They have "fuck tankies" in their comm banner, which I take as a sign that it's very much not a space for me, so you know what? Fine. I don't have to be there. The rest of blahaj.zone seems pretty cool, I like that it's an explicitly queer instance, but c/196 seems like a bad idea and I just don't want to deal with it.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Same, I saw "fuck tankies" in the banner and that makes it very clear it's not a space for anyone left of Joe Biden.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Simple solution: allow defederation from single communities and block 196 for everyone, because the memes there have never been anything but incredibly cringe.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Most of them don't seem to like Hexbear in general so idk how this is going to pan out

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I like it. But I was also a regular on /r/Chapo before it was nuked.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I like you guys lots ❤️

I hope you don't get disappeared by our Sharky State. Your memes can border on rancid but mostly I'm into it 😎

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

hexbear-transunityblahaj

Edit: Weird, a different image of blahaj appears when you look at this from your instance, do you guys have like a custom emote also called blahaj?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago

A lot of the vulgarity is very deliberate. A big part of the site culture is a rejection of the civility discourse that dominated Democratic politics in '16 and to an extent again in '20. We're not just assholes, the handful of brain cells knocking around here do have some logic behind the posting, sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago

Idk, the admin Ada does seem to genuinely want to some form of trans solidarity between the instances, and she's said she's willing to put up with some of our bullshit as long as we're not too abrasive over there

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (3 children)

WHAT IF THERE WERE A MYSTERIOUS "THIRD WAY"?

But for serious, I get the feeling that someone might need to make an instance for people who want to post on both. It could even be queer themed. I just don't see hexbear being able to rein it in enough to avoid the inevitable, and personally I like the dirtbag culture as it is.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Many of these "I don't want to get defederated" posts are essentially asking for a complete 180 on the site culture; Stop posting so much. Stop responding to posts. Stop bullying liberals. Stop using emojis. Stop dismissing bad faith arguments and outright lies with PPB.

That's not what Hexbear is. I like your solution of a bridge instance, but beyond that the solution is likely that people who want to view anti-Leftist, anti-Communist instances need to make separate accounts on those instances.

Edit: I read Ada's (from Blahaj) posts and I have to temper my statement - I do see the value in maintaining ties with another major trans instance and making some adjustments to make that possible is a worthy thing to do. Please check out the statements, they've been added to the original post.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago

blahaj as a whole I'd very much like to see remain federated with us. Trans community and solidarity is needed here, but my experience in 196 was a bit wild lol

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