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The full video is about 75 MB so I can't upload it here unfortunately, and it seems like you need to use the Telegram app to view it, but it's really incredible (also mute the audio, it's shitty added techno music).

Description: the video starts with an overhead shot of a soldier lying next to a burned-out tank, clearly taken from a drone. The soldier appears to be dead. However, the POV drone is equipped with powerful optics and zooms in; we see that the soldier is only pretending to be dead, and the optics can see his chest move as he breathes. He's wearing sunglasses but we can clearly see him tensely looking up at the drone.

Moments later, a smaller drone carrying an explosive flies at him and detonates. He yells for a medic then collapses as blood begins to flow from a head wound. Eventually he lies motionless.

The whole thing could easily be submitted as a short-form horror drama about modern warfare.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

this doesn't seem that much worse than more traditional warfare (a lone wounded soldier might do the same thing to hide from distant infantry, for example), except that i think its impossible to surrender to drones or helicopters because they can't feasibly land to capture prisoners, so legally they can just finish you off without it being a warcrime.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

except that i think its impossible to surrender to drones or helicopters because they can't feasibly land to capture prisoners

There have been a bunch of incidents of drone surrenders actually. In some cases they've escorted the troops to people to take them prisoner.

Obviously you need to actually trust the drone operator is going to let you surrender though but that applies to surrendering to soldiers as well and hoping they won't just kill you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

thats interesting, i mostly had in mind that one wikileaks clip of the american helicopter pilot being told not to accept a surrender, i guess not every military is as misanthropic as america lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I think in the case of the Americans they were never fighting a war to "defeat" the enemy. Whereas in the case of the Russians and Ukrainians they actually want to encourage surrenders as much as possible since it reduces the capability of the enemy to fight, so there's more of it happening here than in asymmetrical warfare. With that said I see significantly more about maltreatment by Ukraine to prisoners than by Russia, probably due to different levels of corruption and a lack of training.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

There should still be the opportunity to surrender but I suppose you're right, they would have to watch the person until capture to see if they are actually surrendering or just avoiding the strike to regroup. As a person with empathy I would think it would be worth it to save a life if possible, even if an 'enemy', but people with empathy aren't allowed to operate drones in imperialist wars.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i have become unimaginably desensitized to death. have i lost something as a human being thanks to liveleak and its consequences.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I dont think anyone in the general sense can be irreversibly desensitized to violence and suffering, I think you can always distance yourself from content like liveleak and try to ground yourself more in the everyday.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

That's definitely been my experience. In the height of my teenage edgelord phase I was mainlining /b/, Encyclopædia Dramatica, and Liveleak to the point where nothing really fazed me--it was just part of my daily life. I'm still desensitized today such that I can still tolerate it, but now there's discomfort or even a reaction where before there was none.