Marxist hipsters that engage in the “you’re not as leftist as me or you haven’t read as much theory as me so your opinion is not only going to be brigaded but is also a bannable offense” is what causes me to never post shit on here.
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I don't really see this much anymore, which is maybe because everyone is genuinely too afraid of being banned to effortpost, or because the culture has changed such that it doesn't happen anymore. I know it USED to feel like this and that actually did get me to stop posting more than once, so, I don't disagree. Maybe give it another try though, if only because I haven't seen it in a while
Lots of effort posting in the news mega thread still. For those scared to engage, just best the Marxist hipsters at their own game and post theory. It's what I do lol.
I am glad that someone sort of hears me. It's still like this as of today and IMO, it will never, ever change as long as there are people moderating this instance who believe that even a slight variation from any one of their beliefs must be resolutely banned or brigaded lest it metasticize and grow into a counter-movement.
oh word, which slight variations have you seen being banned? 
Someone dared to insinuate that North Korea is perhaps not totally awesome after all.
if only more people had the courage to speak up and chime in with all capitalist media to give license to 75 years of genocidal occupation
This child I keep punching in the face has some personality traits I think are maladaptive
And I'm brave enough to say it
i'm sympathetic to this but genuinely, if we don't critique on account of the overwhelming imperialist information network, but also largely discount/reject the imperialist narrative, how do we arrive at a real perspective? the opposite of the west's narrative cannot be true in all cases
if someone is going to come in with a critique it's going to have to at least acknowledge all of the stuff that is usually elided by capitalist media, because that's the ocean we all exist in and unfortunately it's necessary to distinguish yourself from the mass delusion to be taken seriously.
it's not great and we're on the other side of this sometimes, like when liberals accuse Hillary detractors of misogyny and you have to first establish your feminist bona fides to have any hope with someone steeped in that defense
EDIT: now that I think about it it's way worse because a sizable portion of mass media was anti-Hillary. there is no mass media that favors DPRK or even deviates from the crazy hermit kingdom narrative
this just feels like a dead end in this context, intellectually i get where you're coming from but how this interaction went was: user explains hesitance to post because of they're afraid of getting piled on-->someone baits an example out-->dogpile
rhetorically i think the conversation's just been terminated or forced into a confrontation instead of something educational. and sort of proved their point.
idk where im going with this because i totally get not wanting to coddle liberals and the desire to dunk---but i also see how it sucks to have to exonerate yourself of holding water for imperialists just to begin a conversation about DPRK or some other AES 
yeah I hear you, I knew that was a risk. I just don't know if there's any real gain to outsiders for a left critique of DPRK until the occupation ends, I mean they are still at war even.
I guess it's hard for me to keep my mouth shut when someone whines that they get pushback for being negative about a country that's vilified in literally every piece of western mass media. how can anyone expect not to in that environment? and now that I think of it it doesn't even map to Hillary because there was plenty of mass media shitting on Hillary
EDIT: I wasn't trying to be an asshole in my initial comment, I hoped my tone was more mild and mostly sarcastic. but I am a little wasted rn so if I misjudged things I apologize
Let's not give them too much credit
Someone dared to insinuate that North Korea is perhaps not totally awesome after all.
They were being condescending and hyperbolic. It wasn't some uwu smol bean talking about their concern over the cult of personality, problems with the special economic zone, reactionary messaging from state outlets, or any number of other real criticisms that you can easily enough offer and get at least thoughtful replies, if not broad agreement on. It was none of that, it was "radical free-thinker dares to wrongthink against absurd dogma."
Like, I disagree with plenty of hexbears -- I've had you blocked for a long time and had to remove it to reply to your comment here. There's a difference between that and being a patronizing piece of shit over it, so assuming that jackass had something worthwhile to say instead of the same absolute horseshit that 99% of the anglophone world would offer on the topic is silly.
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What was the specific content of their statement? Do you remember or could you link it?
I have to agree with this. I have some opinions that slightly deviate from the more sanguine attitudes on foreign policy I've seen others express here and I've been reluctant to voice that.
What do you mean by "brigaded"? I think the in the way it's commonly used, that term means: when one community (traditionally a subreddit, but here on lemmy, an instance) goes into another community they normally would not participate in to mass-downvote or comment-spam that second community, usually as an organized effort. If someone were to post something on hexbear, hexbear couldn't brigade that post, by definition.
Do you just mean dogpile? Where a bunch of people all jump on and criticize someone who said something they didn't like? Because that definitely happens here, sometimes for good reason, other times not (which I realize is somewhat subjective). It especially sucks when it is due to something seemingly minor to the person getting dogpiled but the people doing the dogpiling treat it like the infraction was this terrible crime. Or worse, when it is all due to a misunderstanding but the person getting dogpiled feels hounded out of the thread. Hexbear can be really bad about this. It has happened to me and it is one hundred percent the reason I don't post more and it's part of the reason that by default I use rotating alts. Asshole trolls and reactionaries deserve it, that's one thing everyone on hexbear I think agrees, so it has been strongly reinforced in the community here. Also because on the wider internet it's almost always the reactionaries doing the dogpiling and drowning out the reasonable voices, whereas hexbear is more or less a safe pace for more vulnerable groups who are usually the brunt of it. It's no fun to be on the receiving end of a dogpile and I do think that hexbear sometimes gets way too overzealous about it to the detriment of the community and outside participation. If that's what you mean, I think that's a completely valid criticism and one I agree with.
The main reason I point out the distinction between "brigade" and "dogpile" is that when federation was new, hexbear got constantly accused of "brigading" by certain users on other instances just because hexbear is so active and would comment on posts they saw pop up in their feed, which is a good and normal thing to do. That is not brigading. It got very tiresome very quickly for me to be accused of brigading just because I commented in a thread where other hexbears were also commenting. It was used as an excuse by some instances to defederate from us even though it was obvious they only defederated because they didn't want to have to deal with dissenting voices. This was especially galling because we can't downvote, only upvote. This is not a valid criticism of hexbear.
I know this is already an old thread but I still think it's an important difference that should be kept in mind.
Fuckin yep. There's only so many times people are willing to put up with certain cadres being absolute assholes, writing huge debatebro posts about how you're wrong about every detail and wherever you're right you shouldn't say it, and how you're a reactionary anticommunist westoid before it just isn't worth it anymore.
People who have the "correct position" have a lot of license to behave poorly here, and it sucks.
This isn't even to touch on the feeding frenzy when someone whose home instance isn't here isn't exceptionally careful with everything they say.
People who have the "correct position" have a lot of license to behave poorly here, and it sucks.
This is a big reason why I don't post a lot of responses to some positions I disagree with. Even though I only mean to be constructive, I don't want to attract that kind of attention nonetheless.
You absolutely nailed it, sorry the thing you hate happening happened to you because you explained how you hate when it happens, that sucks
I haven't read much theory and they still allow me to post once in a while, as a treat.
idk about that. For instance, a lot of users like the concept of the "PMC" (Professional Managerial Class) that many well-read Marxists would scoff at. I just like Lemmygrad because I know the communities better. Hexbear feels more like shitposts.
I hate to say it, but the owlposting scares them away anyways here's a triforce
i am not a hexbear power poster i cannot even triforce
uh, we already went over this on another account. let me pose a question to you:
Redditors of Lemmy, why have you built a cargo cult around a set of forum rules which has produced the most annoying scenarios we've seen in our lives (Reddit)? why haven't you used this as a bridge to the fediverse, and instead become overly involved with pruning your garden?
Reactionaries of lemmy, why do you hate trans people, queer people, non white people, marginalized people, oppressed people, and all people who aren't white straight wealthy men? This is why Hexbear has defederated from all over the place, because most of the fediverse is incredibly hostile to anyone who isn't a white straight wealthy man. And no, "just sharing ideas" and "freedom of peach" and "it's the internet just don't read posts you don't like" and "censorship pushes people away" and whatever else anyone might say in defense of the rest of the fediverse are not valid excuses for harboring literal hate speech. Stop using slurs, stop rabidly defending racism and oppressive institutions, and maybe folks like you won't get banned. It's not a cargo cult, it's literally just providing basic human decency.
you have no idea how gay we are on mastodon and its forks. this place is practically straight to me now. there are loads of gay people to connect with on the fediverse
I can't go find out how gay the rest of the fediverse is because they're too busy supporting people and policies that are literally trying to kill me
🤠 i literally make these people fear for their lives. they r complaining about lgbt doxxers almost as often as the are complaining about black lives matter. you can just imply ur stalking them and they go nuts for like years with reminders.
go on any instance and go to the account @[email protected] it's a group that aggregates tagged posts across all instances. we are beating these liberals within an inch of their life. what are they gonna do ban me from mastodon.social AGAIN? i already muted it or blocked it on half my accounts.
you do not have a monopoly on hating joe biden. eugene does not have a monopoly on the main twitter alternative. he is a sick bastard good at capturing mindshare tho
i will never understand chan and redditor elitism towards twitter because i have repeatedly made bridges to represent each other's posts on each other's software because it's nigh identical outside weird mistakes like misskey not being able to read lemmy bc it hardcodes some stupid shit
😭😭😭 what are you talking about we have them cordoned off into lib and poastie containment zones what the fuck
Why do you assume I'm from the rest of Lemmy when I'm trashing it as training wheels for redditors 💀💀💀💀💀
I actually switched instances so I can interact with you lot. You guys have your own culture that's hard to really penetrate when someone isn't one of you.
I chime in when I have something to add or on one of the subjects we agree on, but I'll always feel like I'm walking on eggshells, or, well, I feel like an outsider anyway.
I think the feeling like an outsider thing is pretty normal for any group though. You can just keep posting and commenting and eventually you'll either figure out the parts of the site culture you enjoy and lean into those, or create your own place within it that others enjoy too. This just sounds like normal community experience stuff to me.
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Infrequent poster, but if we're complaining about Hexbear culture is that there are often leaks in personalities here - I among the guilty - that treat socialism, writers, and world events as avenues for self-actualization that put me off.
The socialister-than-thou posts, for its own sake and not when dunking on reactionaries, I mean.
Yes, folks who base their entire personality on one specific brand of socialism based on one book written in 1993 by someone nobody has ever heard of but is apparently THE MOST IMPORTANT SOCIALIST WRITER IN HISTORY are problematic and need to stop
Really? The website just seems like a fanclub for the standard figures of western marxism and then capitalist realism etcetera. You see this same group of french philosophers promoted in almost every western left space from tumblr to twitter to group chats like tg/discord
Is there anything you're thinking of in particular there?
Tagline about the guy who burned a post office in Vietnam
I agree with this take. I've heard from some online commentators that this is a trend that affects social media in general and considerably inhibits collaboration on any project, including leftists trying to discuss building socialism in the current political landscape. Leftists in general should develop a strategy to deal with this phenomenon.
I already get accused of being a hexbear alt, I even got banned from one comm for being an a secret hexbear and that always made me feel weird about posting here.
That's kinda weird tbh and I'm sorry that happened
Thanks! It was so weird it felt like I did a thoughtcrime or something
I was scrolling through and on reread realized it sounded like I got banned from a comm here, it was a comm on slrpnk.net
I even got banned from one comm for being an a secret hexbear
gang gang gang
I will add that this experience of having people accuse you of being reactionary for no reason and then getting no response is probably a big driver for "power posters" not wanting to come here but I'd like to add belatedly that it's simply how few posts you actually see on here. It's just like, infosec, lemmygrad which is the same, lemmy, not rly much to see
And then you run the risk of people getting extremely confrontational out of nowhere and deciding you're a fascist because they only see Lemmy posts and their context has become reddit... idk what is an appeal of posting here?
can you name any reason why power posters SHOULD eschew the benefits of better software and wider community?
Honestly, I don't really relate to most of the things people are bringing up in this thread.
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