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Regarding religious freedom and religious tolerance (hexbear.net)

submitted 2 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Freedom of belief is not an absolute right, nor is it a suicide pact. You do not have to tolerate people who want to destroy you, even if they claim they want to destroy you because god told them so. The Paradox of Tolerance is in full effect; To protect tolerance ideologies that are intolerant must be controlled, suppressed, or destroyed. It doesn't matter if they're secular, religious, or a secret third thing. Christian Fascists don't get any kind of pass because they're a religion. The same goes for Wahhabism, Hindutva, and similar ideologies that do not play well with others.

Contrast with mainline Protestants, some Secular Islamic states, and prior tolerant Hindu governments that weren't hell bent on exterminating the Muslim and non-Hindu minority.

You have every right to believe whatever the fuck you want but when you turn it in to a political movement and start harming others you are responsible for your actions.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Religion is a convenient mask for fascists, but ultimately they don't really believe in anything other than their own political project. It takes a while, but eventually Christian fascists reject Jesus as woke

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

I'm bigoted against evangelicals.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Keeping an eye on this for struggle sessions. Play nice yall.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Totes fair. Let me know if you want me to take it down.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Eh, not yet, well see how this goes

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I would apply that to any Christian that thinks the rapture is a good thing. If you want the rapture to happen, you are saying to me that you want me and my loved ones to be tortured for eternity and you’d prefer it to happen as soon as possible.

So yes I would apply it to most Protestants ~~and Catholics~~ as well

Edit: Catholics don’t believe in the rapture, I don’t know why I was thinking that earlier, my bad

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

The Rapture itself is a pretty radical heresy. You have to be way out in the woods to believe in something like that.

[+] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

To be fair a lot of Christian sects don't do this. I grew up in a conservative Christian household and was never told I was going to hell. I was told nobody goes to hell because Jesus already stopped that and to celebrate that I should be a good person. So your milage may vary depending on if your specific brand of Christianity is works righteousness or grace alone. The grace alone churches aren't typically nearly as bad. If you're ever at any political action and you see any sort of Christianity represented out there on your side it's always the grace alone types.

Not really defending religion overall, I personally am much more agnostic these days, but should be interesting for those who have never seen behind the curtain to have a peek sometime.

[+] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's definitely regional. In the southern US it's all works righteousness people. But as you get north and coastal you get more grace alone types. Episcopalians, the more progressive Lutherans, all the Methodist reforming churches with pride flags on their signs, etc. They're usually not the ones bible thumping on TV or in the media though so unless you're in the region or grew up around it like I did it's definitely not what people think of when they think of religion

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's not blasphemy, evangelicals and fire and brimstone lutherans are on a spextrum from unforgivable heresy to cherry picking assholes. Southern fire and brimstone christianity is a bizarre and often heretical abberation that was carefully culled to produce a religion that unquestionably supported slavery and white supremacy. I don't think my catholic priests growing up every mentioned hell, although honestly i wasn't paying much attention. Hell and punishment aren't that important in a lot of christian sects, but for many americans "christianity" means evangelical fascism.

Honestly from what I've read the catholics over the last few decades have been kind of cagey on whether anyone even goes to hell. It's just not that important these days.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

The Gnostics got it right and it's all been downhill since then

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

My secret plot is to sit back and enjoy the collapse of American Christianity sit-back-and-enjoy