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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Are any of these stats actual stats or part of a study or anything other than a watermarked, compressed meme format that someone can cite? Almost election time and getting stats and facts straight rn is pretty important

[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Good question. I wondered the same thing: could I see a shareable source that one might take more seriously than a meme?

Here's some things I found on DDG:

US DOL stats on wage theft

Then I found a couple more sources, one of which has OP's image, and both point to the same article from an organization called the EPI which I've never heard of. It seems to be some big NGO that's been around since the 80s but really vetting the credibility of this source is a bit beyond my attention span right now.

The EPI seems to have credible sources in that article and seems to cite them appropriately. The larceny et al. crime stats seem to come from an FBI data set from 2012. The EPI article itself is from 2014, so that eases one potential concern of cherry picking old data compared to current inflation numbers. But it's also worth noting that ten year-old data isn't great. That said, is it hard to believe that not much has changed in ten years? The figures seem reasonably trustworthy given this brief (BRIEF) assessment.

Great question, keep on askin'.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Thanks for looking and providing a bit of insight!

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I mean we should want actual facts even when it's not an election

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not about when to want things, it's about when to look out for things. Yes, you should always be aware of tornadoes, but you should pay extra attention during tornado season.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Phenomenal analogy!

To expand on tornados specifically, re: watch vs warning

  • Watch: we have the ingredients for tacos
  • Warning: tacos are imminent!
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How did tacos get in this thing? Now I'm hungry

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Me too! God dammit!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Good to ask for sources during peak election interference season!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Also I wonder if this is a fair comparison. Shouldn't wage theft be compared to all other civil penalties imposed on people, not just criminal theft?

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you mean "than other thieves stole." Don't want to accidentally imply they aren't thieves.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

The thieves that get arrested vs the thieves that end up on magazines celebrating their theft.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The big red supermarket I work for in Aus is being investigated by the government over their record profits during a cost of living crisis and all of a sudden they decided, for no reason, to check to see if they had been paying us right for the last decade and suprise, suprise, they've underpayed workers and are now paying it back as a "sorry", yeah sorry you got caught.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

They're probably still paying too little. And charging too much.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Please add sources to this infographic, maybe in the lower section, and this can be used as an actual, tactical weapon in everyday interactions.

And no, this comment is not an attempted underhanded attack against this infographic. People are taught in modern global world to trust researched sources. It's an rhetorical weapon, even if based on truth (which I hope this infographic is based on).

And no, I'm not a fucking LLM. Im just finnish and a little bit drunk.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had an employer who would tell us that we were committing "Time Theft" any time we were on the clock and not actively working on something at any moment of the day. When California DoL started cracking down on my city, my employer started complaining about government overreach and "State Sanctioned Time Theft" when he was required to give us 2x 15 min breaks on the clock on top of a whopping 30 minutes off the clock for lunch.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

I had an employer who tried to make us clock out if we were at work and there was no actual work for us to do.

Thankfully, he was the sort of employer you could literally say "go fuck yourself" to and not get fired. Which every one of the handful of employees at his small business did. So he went back on that.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because the gov gets it's cut. That's why. It's easier to keep 1 big corp happy so long as they shuffle over that 15% or less.

Plus, no one in gov wants to be the one that forced a large corp to shutdown costing a bunch of normal people jobs.

Why do you think military contractors setup factories in all 50 states to make 1 type of aircraft..... Senators that don't want more fighter jets? Well the factory that employs 2000 of it's citizens might just have to close down then .... Oh I see you changes your mind ..here's a campaign contribution instead

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the government was motivated by getting a cut we'd still have correct tax rates for billionaires. Unfortunately, everything in government is done by corrupt individuals whose signatures can be purchased for laughably small amounts. It's exactly as you point out, one campaign contribution and they will sign whatever legislation you want.

Same with SCOTUS but they don't have campaigns so you have to straight-up bribe them with RVs or luxury fishing trips.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html

Though they refer indirectly to the 1982 SCOTUS case of Harlow V Fitzgerald, this law applies to politicians and judges as well as police. They just haven't upheld it in over 150 years, because someone illegally changed the law in 1874, and it wasn't noticed until last year.

Ulysses S Grant referenced section 1983 of the federal code when he was pulled over, for the third time in his life, in 1872, while sitting as president, for "speeding on a horse in the city limits of Washington DC." The officer tried to let him go, and he said that Congress had just passed a law about that, and no one, not even a sitting president, is above the law. He paid the ticket. The other two times he was pulled over he was only a general, and it was in the early 1860s while a minor bit of treason and insurrection was going on.

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[–] Luisp 39 points 1 year ago

That's only from wages, it's not counting all the other forms of crimes that companies do, like speculation with physical stock, false marketing, investor fraud, inventory destruction, monopoly, intelectual theft, etc etc

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This isn't even countin the theft of the surplus labor value the parasites steal away from the working class. That same money is then used to purchase the government over time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand that argument, but this is clean cut "by law" of literally law breaking theft. Our social contract "allows" exploitation of the working class. :(

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Both points are valid.

Its a shit deal, and they're not even pretending to keep up their end. What kind of whipped dumbfucks must we be to ever keep ours?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All those violations are what the lawsuits agreed to or were documented.

There's many many companies that violate the law and get away with it.

Where theft is always reported, for insurance and tracking reasons.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The most exploited people are also the least likely to report it because they're afraid of losing what little employment they have.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why you should organize your workplace.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Fuck organized labor, do organized crime. Steal your workplace.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

We were looking.. but we can't (or won't) enforce our power through threat or use of force. So they can take from us without fear.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Also not represented here is asset forfeiture by law enforcement which is now routine. In 2015-ish, it was about $5 billion a year, nationwide.

Some states have made laws against it. Some states don't enforce those laws while others do. (Police often will take that chance.) I don't know how the figure has shifted since.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To answer the question in the title, it's because corporations have more rights than us.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Wait til you see what they stole from the government - literally the ability to govern!

kill em all and let dogs sort em out, or whatever

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Honestly how does somebody even figure a job is worth doing for less than $7.25? The only way that job even pays for the food needed to replace the calories is if they live off of homemade bread and multivitamins, without home heating or running water.

Probably something like seasonal farm workers living in a temporary housing complex and eating from the harvest.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are desperate and impoverished and undereducated, so they can't get anything better.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

*exploited, just like everyone else at this point

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

And that's exactly why I steal from corporations whenever I can. Shoplifting, online piracy, fare dodging, etc. are applied everyday class struggle.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thank you. I have no doubt that it's true, I have my own tales of corporate shenanigans. I wanted to post it elsewhere and needed the source.

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