I step out of Hexbear and into another instance for once and immediately get this shit lmao
I was letting off some steam about how sick and tired I am about working a shit job to make some asshole rich, and I made an off hand remark about how my employer probably belongs in a gulag. Further down the reply chain, this lemmitor asshole shows up to send me a whole tirade full of faux concern, breaking out the psychoanalysis to say I'm just an extremist full of unjustified hatred because I must be a bitter loser. Somehow they come up with this nuclear hot take comparing my anger at the capitalist class to a Christian fundamentalist hating gay people.
But the fucking cherry on the top here is sending me this comment as their very first interaction with me and proceeding to instantly block me to deny me the chance to reply at all. I've seen others use the block feature as a means of getting the last word in, but never to get both the first and last word in at the same time. And in the end, this self-unaware lib ends up calling me the overly self righteous one. Perfect.
Tbh, what gets me is that they were so fucking close to getting it. They almost came to an accurate understanding of the fact that my material conditions as a poor person getting fucked over day in and day out by my employer stealing my labor will heavily inform my politics. But of course they never quite reach that point, instead bizarrely veering off into psychologizing me, and acting like this is all just some sort of character flaw on my part.
Rule one: https://hexbear.net/comment/4738025
Rule 3, no?
Shut the fuck up and go purge the neoliberal chauvinists from your instance. When it's actually more recognizable as being anarchist rather than "left-ish with red scare characteristics", we can talk.
"Your specific brand of 'leftism'" did not refer to "anarchism", it referred to your specific brand, which attracts absolute slime like we see in the OP for reasons that you would do well to figure out.
CC: @[email protected] this is my reasoning. If insulting someone's boutique nominally-anarchist (actually bidenist) instance is sectarianism, I invite you to take whatever moderation actions you deem appropriate to defend its sordid sanctity.
Well good to know that it's that easy to work around your community rules by just re-labeling the target as "not real leftists". As is tradition of course. Carry on then.
And down goes the paper-thin mask
My sibling in Christ, when you're done pissing your pants over my meanie gatekeeping, try actually reading the comments in the OP. That person is a chauvinist explicitly defending the status quo by saying, in so many words, that all "extremists" are mentally-ill losers looking to power trip. Are you saying that it's newspeak revisionism to claim that a message like that is probably not leftist? Please, tell me where Kropotkin says that revolution is only supported by the bitterest dregs of society and therefore invalid.
Of course you have no problem with your own fucking redbashing, but opportunistically using this shallow patina of anti-sectarianism when it comes to Your Guys is apparently not below you.
Hey, "no sectarianism" is your rule, not ours. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy where the rules are easily bent by just arbitrary relabeling the other side. In truth, you never believed in "no sectarianism". You only use it to enforce groupthink.
In any case, your whole argument above fails since you generalized against our whole instance.
"Ableism and smuglord attitude is bad" is sectarianism?
Lmao as if we don't argue with eachother on everything here
Yeah lmao what a dumbass, there is at least 1 struggle session going at all times, this bozo is all like:
"MUH GROUPTHINK IS WHEN THERE IS NO TRANSPHOBIA ON HECCKIN NARWHAL REDDIT CLONE!!"
All this self-victimizing when it would be so much easier to just ban a blatant chauvinist, but it's more important to you to own teh sectarian tankies than it is to actually administer your instance according to any set of leftist principles.
Maybe host real leftists then
"It's not sectarianism, when we declare them not real leftists"? Ok then
Oh I didn't realize we were all the same person. I stand corrected.
Point 1. dbzer0 instance claims to be leftist
Point 2. Leftists would not allow posts from ableist neoliberal ghouls to be posted on their instance
Point 3. Ableist neoliberal ghouls post on dbzer0
Point 4. dbzer0 does not remove the posts of ableist neoliberal ghouls
Therefore, synthesizing the points above, dbzer0 is not leftist.
Bonus point: when shown the ableist screed posted on their "leftist" instance, the admin responds not with some kind of apology or good-faith discussion but rather
tier debatebro snark.
"UM, RULE 3?" "OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT-" "OKAY, GOOD TO KNOW THAT-"
Honest question, what do you even get out of this project? What do you think you're accomplishing? What positive effect do you think you can have when you're deploying this dismissive, abrasive tone to anyone trying to engage with you? A problem post has been pointed out on your instance - one among many that form a significant trend - and your ONLY response is to zero in on the person criticizing you to glibly invoke "the rules" to try and shut them up. How about explaining why your instance lets post like this stay? How about reflecting on why people say things like
instead of just demanding that they stop saying things like that? At this point, what specifically do you even believe that makes you care about being called "not a real leftist"?
I am not going to debate the typical uncharitable interpretations you peeps do towards all outsider comments so you can and declare them things like "neoliberal ableist ghouls" and then repeat such statements until it becomes the "truth" . I'm just here to point out the hypocrisy of these rules which are bypassed as easily as saying "ableist neoliberal ghouls".
I am also not here to debate my instance. Obviously we're not hexbear and we are differ in how we see things. But we're not the ones claiming hexbear is "fake leftists" so we can turn people against you. But your community regularly does that towards us every time one of you needs to cry about some argument they had on lemmy. If you don't want me here pointing out your hypocrisy, feel free to either keep our instance out of your toxic mouth, or ban us.
Perfect little irony crossiant
Nobody cares about turning anyone against anyone, this comes off as a little self important and lacking in perspective when all of us are just posting at each other on a forum
Once again completely ignoring the content of the post from OP in favor of policing procedure and decorum. Pure fucking LIBERALISM
Again, what do you even believe?? If you defend positions that boil down to "you only want a revolution cause you have a bad life and are envious" then what's left of "leftism"? And do you defend the post, either its content or its tone? You haven't said a single thing about it except to complain about how other people are talking about it.
Your reading comprehension needs work. I am not tone policing. I'm not complaining about you commenting on that poster. Feel free to dunk as much as you want. I only point out it's hypocritical on your end to label the whole instance as fake leftists.
Y'all are so desperate to be right that you keep trying to assign actions to me that I'm not taking.
Here's an action you aren't taking:
Maintaining a safe instance for marginalized people
The last refuge of the liberal losing an argument
That person isnt a leftist tho lol where does poor people are just haterz = leftism
Why you keep someone like that around unless ur not really a leftist, just some liberal cosplaying
Not all instances go around banning everyone at the drop of a hat. Not all people interpret as uncharitable as hexbears either.
It kinda just sounds like youre a bad faith liberal and dont actually like hexbear lol
projection much?
No ive been pretty specific, ive never been to db0 and have no idea what the content is there, im here to use this one site. but it seems pretty whack to defend a neolib and hexbear has no business being associated with a place thats open to doing that.
Dunno why were federated if what everyone else is saying about your users who wander here is true.
I mean you're projecting your own bad faith and dislike onto us. I don't even think about hexbear until your peeps start sectarianism shit-flinging.
This is an incredibly Not Mad response from someone with a history of baiting drama
said the person writing walls of text when someone goes "no u". Big "not mad" energy indeed.
Also lol at the "baiting drama" projection when we're clearly living rent free in your head as you're going around then whole thread injecting yourself into any conversation.
Hmm, it still appears in my inbox. I'm not pretending to be disaffected, you do genuinely piss me off and I have nothing but contempt for someone as disingenuous as you. I've made no effort to appear aloof like you do, I respond to things earnestly just like you accuse me of when you put out low effort bullshit because, again, you believe in nothing.
I think it's just that you sent this before I blocked you, so it should work now.
See, you're so blindingly stupid that you can't even understand how a public forum on the internet works.
This is a graffiti wall, you are the village idiot, the sacrificial lamb, everyone is free to mock you when they want.
hahahahaha stupid cuck
Go back to /pol/
You have rotten pudding where your brain should be.
Ur instance is trash if you keep the "poor people are poor because theyre bad" guy and youre a loser for defending them
I definitely think so. But there will be an argument over what constitutes revolutionary anarchism vs what constitutes the poisoned internet variant that calls itself anarchism but somehow manages to align itself with the US state department on nearly every single issue. I suspect there would be some disagreement over what you are, although I personally see a revleft anarchist with a lot of things still "in motion" so to speak. Like I mentioned in my below comment it's very obvious that anarchists as a whole have radically changed their opinions of previous propaganda after seeing palestine. This widespread collective change in attitude isn't going to stop here it's going to continue to develop with further events in the coming years, we are seeing a fledgling movement not a matured or experienced one.
Point being that the revleft anarchists here hate the nato-anarchists with every fiber of their being so the decision of what is and is not sectarianism when that becomes questionable can be difficult.
disclaimer: not a mod, personal opinion
Rule 3 does not protect neoliberalism, social darwinism, ableism, or other forms of chauvinism. It doesn't protect redditor smugness and debate pervertry. That's what is being discussed here. That's what is in OP's post. And when it comes to other users from your instance, we regularly need to ban them for transphobia, homophobia and imperialism apologia. And you act like a fucking lib defending his racist uncle about this.