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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 years ago (30 children)

I dunno, I have a teenager, and they have friends. I have a teenage niece, plus dozens of little cousins with devices.

While it can seem like that constant access is a negative, and I've seen a study somewhere about it being really bad for vision over time, what I don't see is anything worse than what TV, gaming, hobbies, or phone calls did to my generation.

The key difference is that the kids can do all of that with one thing, from the couch. So, with a bit of willpower to enforce exercise, and limits on time to allow for family time, I think all claims about harm (unless there's good data the back up a claim) are no better than the bullshit about gaming, or arcades, or heavy metal, or d&d, or any of the other stupidity that has been claimed to be ruining kids over the years.

Kids, teenagers in specific, can require a bit more effort to shift their attention when they have a device in hand, this is true. But people don't remember how damn pissy teenagers got when being pried away from a TV. If my grandparents stories about my parent's generation are true, even before TV was everywhere, teenagers were assholes about shifting attention from their focus of the moment.

From what the one great grandparent I grew up with said, my grandparents' generation was different only in access to distractions. And, for the most part, for a kid back before TV existed at all, radio and books were just as difficult to pry an ear or nose out of.

Now, I will say that most teenagers can end up boring as fuck because they get lazy about using/doing non device things. When every interest is tied to absorbing entertainment in some form, you end up with monomanias in cycles that I don't recall from being a teenager among teenagers. Not that they didn't exist, but you'd see more diversity in interests on average. But, have you seen fucking adults now? It's getting harder and harder to find adults that aren't locked into their device in one way or another. Adults are boring as fuck too, just in different ways, and often were in the past.

Anyway, point is that until there's good data compiled, the whole "kids these days" is just as bullshit as it always has been.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (18 children)

I don't have kids. And I respect the Kids These Days perspective...

But aren't you concerned about how quickly YouTube and Facebook are known to show new users radical content? Have you read studies about how social media may be related to unprecedented mental illness in kids?

Aren't algorithms and social media at least a little different than books and television? Aren't they razor focused on making us sad and addicted?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Ah, that's down to content control. The same way my dad had to bust my ass if I was watching skinemax too much, parents have to be aware of such and take steps to both monitor and educate.

Unfettered access is risky. Unsupervised access is risky. But cooperative, communication driven access becomes a very, very powerful tool for a parent. You start using YouTube to teach things, give them the critical thinking skills to parse bullshit for themselves.

But fuck Facebook. It's usefulness is long gone, so I just block that are the router and have done with it.

Also, I have read studies about social media risks. The studies showing harm are dubious. That's why I emphasized good data. When the study doesn't involve good control participants, it's almost meaningless. When a study pulls from a limited group, it's kinda sketchy. Worse, when a study completely disregards other issues, it's junk from the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also, I have read studies about social media risks. The studies showing harm are dubious

So the studies are only good when it conforms to your "good data" biases. got it.

Unfettered access is risky. Unsupervised access is risky. But cooperative, communication driven access becomes a very, very powerful tool for a parent.

Then why block facebook, oh so "communication driven parent"? Or you're kind of parent that buys themselves "#1 Dad" hat and start lecturing other parents on how your kid made it for you.

Was your dad also busting your ass as you read 100 different annecdotal "parenting tips" from strangers on TV? Was your TV in your pocket 24/7 for supervised access and did your parent supervised and communicated about every nook and cranny of the internet?

Technology has well surpassed what differentiated you and your parents. If you think you've got it all figured out, you might be in for a big wake up call.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Go fuck yourself if that's the way you're going to be

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

That sort of impatience really doesn't bode well for your parenting skills.

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