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I really like how the “empirical” evidence for god’s existence is just “math has rules and there are patterns in nature, therefore god exists” (hexbear.net)

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And you know what, that might just very well be true if we’re talking about some supernatural force that is indifferent to its creations, not out of malice, but because it simply is truly neutral.

But as evidence for the religious capital ‘G’ God, the one who communicates and plans every little detail because he loves us so much? What is the point of these “subtle” proofs that took thousands of years to be studied and recorded when he has shown that he can just pop up anywhere or perform miracles and whatever the fuck.

It is no coincidence that the vast majority, possibly 99%, of devout religious people do not give a shit about using math to explain god because it’s all proven in their holy books. It is no coincidence that the “empirical” evidence is, in reality, just pointing at the existence of features and concepts of math and science rather than utilizing said features and concepts to prove the existence of god. And no, philosophical musings about morality using the language of mathematical proofs does not count as utilizing math and science (literally, all the axioms in these types of "proofs" are subjective shit like "bad" and "good" and not, say, the difference between 1 and 0).

And I didn’t even want to make a post dunking on religion, but I’m irritated because YouTube recommended some dumbass video by a channel called “Reformed Zoomer” and one of the arguments is “there is an infinite range of numbers between two numbers, and if we turn those numbers into letters, then every book possible has already been written. Checkmate atheoids”. https://youtu.be/z0hxb5UVaNE?si=RpjF6S0fHiF71iH-

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think proofs of God are not just ridiculous but very near blasphemous

I agree. I can’t speak for other religions, but the Bible always stated that faith is all you need. Jesus only showed proof inadvertently while helping someone. But other than that I can’t recall moments where he did anything just because someone doubted him, or at least it didn’t happen frequently.

I don’t dismiss every religious person as right wing reactionaries. My comment about most religious people not caring about “empirical evidence” was meant to say that most people are normal and don’t need validation from scientists and mathematicians or other complex subjects, meanwhile the more desperate and stupid try to dabble in those fields to seek the truth.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I totally agree.

And I know you didn't, sorry if I put it that way. I just wanted to share my thoughts because usually a post like this will have comments following with anti-religious Leftists calling it reactionary or whatever, so just wanted to put out a different position which isn't always heard among Marxists.