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I am ashamed that I hadn’t reasoned this through given all the rubbish digital services have pulled with “purchases” being lies.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (53 children)

Theft isn't specific to property, you can steal services too.

The water is certainly muddy with digital media, but this is just another oversimplified argument.

If you need to do mental gymnastics to feel OK about pirating then...idk find something better than this.

See comments below for more mental gymnastics

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago (33 children)

Theft isn’t specific to property, you can steal services too.

You can't really "steal" services, even though they sometimes call it that. You can access services without authorization, but you're not stealing anything. You can access services you don't have authorization to access and then disrupt people who are authorized to use those services. But, again, not stealing. Just disruption.

Stealing deprives a person of something, copyright infringement and unauthorized access to services don't.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So salary theft by employers is not really theft. Got it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If it's theft, it's theft. If it's fraud, it's fraud. It could be either. But "wage theft" is not copyright infringement, which is not theft.

Here's what California's Department of Industrial Relations says:

Wage theft is a form of fraud

https://www.dir.ca.gov/fraud_prevention/Wage-Theft.htm

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Stealing services doesn't necessarily have to do with copyright infringement.

My point is that OP over simplification of theft is not even worth considering, from a legal or personal point of view.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not really, theft is theft. Fraud is fraud. Just because something feels like theft doesn't make it theft.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You were the one who quoted that wage theft is a form or fraud, so I'm not sure what's your point. Yes, some theft can be fraud... but still theft.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Wage theft isn't theft, it's fraud.

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