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I really like how the “empirical” evidence for god’s existence is just “math has rules and there are patterns in nature, therefore god exists” (hexbear.net)

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And you know what, that might just very well be true if we’re talking about some supernatural force that is indifferent to its creations, not out of malice, but because it simply is truly neutral.

But as evidence for the religious capital ‘G’ God, the one who communicates and plans every little detail because he loves us so much? What is the point of these “subtle” proofs that took thousands of years to be studied and recorded when he has shown that he can just pop up anywhere or perform miracles and whatever the fuck.

It is no coincidence that the vast majority, possibly 99%, of devout religious people do not give a shit about using math to explain god because it’s all proven in their holy books. It is no coincidence that the “empirical” evidence is, in reality, just pointing at the existence of features and concepts of math and science rather than utilizing said features and concepts to prove the existence of god. And no, philosophical musings about morality using the language of mathematical proofs does not count as utilizing math and science (literally, all the axioms in these types of "proofs" are subjective shit like "bad" and "good" and not, say, the difference between 1 and 0).

And I didn’t even want to make a post dunking on religion, but I’m irritated because YouTube recommended some dumbass video by a channel called “Reformed Zoomer” and one of the arguments is “there is an infinite range of numbers between two numbers, and if we turn those numbers into letters, then every book possible has already been written. Checkmate atheoids”. https://youtu.be/z0hxb5UVaNE?si=RpjF6S0fHiF71iH-

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

this is so used soooo frequently in discussions about biology. the argument literally just boils down to "i think the biological mechanisms of life are too complex and so obviously some insanely intelligent thing made it". for some reason, it's easier for some to believe that a hyper intelligent god made biological mechanisms than that they occurred simply by chance and millions of years of trial and error that refined them. besides, they aren't even that efficient sometimes. mRNA synthesis begins with abortive initiation, where the RNA polymerase will try several times to begin synthesizing the chain but it will just fall off after a few nucleotides and the process has to start again, until it just, by chance, happens to make it past the first few. does that sound like the doing of a hyper intelligent entity? it doesn't, it sounds like something that has been hastily put together by nature and whatever works works. when you look at the whole thing, it can definitely look insanely complex, but when you start looking at the details it becomes obvious that its just nature trying to find something that works and then sticking with it with a "if it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude.