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i'm no ML but anarchists should read the jakarta method.
anarchists should be able to see that cuba, china, vietnam, laos, and north korea are far preferable to american hegemony despite all their flaws, and that contextually an anarchist uprising in cuba would immediately cause the island to fall to imperialists. You don't have to like states to understand that you kinda need one when the dominant mode of geopolitics is relations between states.
i'm here for anarchism when the bigger threat of capitalism is gone or if anarchists can get something going in the imperial core but i don't see any examples of successful movement building comparable to the BPP.
You are asking me to accept that a state is necessary - i.e you are asking me to stop being an anarchist. Once again, the only one that has to compromise in this "left unity" is me, and the compromise is so big I have to completely stop being myself. On your end though, there is nothing. This is exactly what I'm pointing out. You're just saying it in nicer words.
that's not what i said at all. i said you need a state to play the game of states that the external hostile states force you into, that's not needing a state full stop.
what's the anarchist solution to contemporary geopolitics? i'm genuinely unaware and happy to change my line if you have something more successful than rojava to offer.
That's a more fair claim, excuse me for misunderstanding.
Can you elaborate a bit more on what specifically are you asking about? Do you mean how to resist agression from states? How to avoid being co-opted or hijacked?
nation states don't recognize or respect non-state organizations of people (well. corporations, which are surely worse than liberal states) and if you don't have a formal structure for them to recognize they will simply trample over you, would they not?
perhaps it's my own ignorance but i'm aware of zero modern anarchist anti-imperial projects at the level of viet nam, dprk, laos, or cuba. You don't have to like everything they do (or china or the ussr) but it should be really obvious that those states are less of an enemy of the people than
and i would think they are therefore deserving of critical support in the face of western imperialism.
it's a priority thing. i think anarchism has a shot in the US because of how fucked our culture is, and i would support any movement regardless of tendency that got anything going, but the most successful leftist project here in a century was the black panthers. Anarchist thought needs to explain how an anarchist society would survive the onslaught of capitalist imperialism right now and if you want more credit from fence-sitters there needs to be something durable and independent that's bigger than food not bombs.
if there's an anarchist project doing for its people what the cuban revolution did with literacy and hospitals and... please tell me about it i would love to move there.