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Death of Raymond Zack - 53-year-old man who intentionally drowned at Crown Beach by standing neck deep in water roughly 150 yards offshore while rescuers watched for almost an hour (en.wikipedia.org)

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bad form are the “public safety” officials, the legal system, and all of the bystanders that did nothing

I'd like to point out that several civilian bystanders prepped to go out and help him, only to be told by the police to not enter the water. Even once he collapsed, it was a young civilian woman ignoring police orders who entered the water a retrieved his body.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even once he collapsed, it was a young civilian woman ignoring police orders who entered the water a retrieved his body.

I'd also like to point out that they only waited until the guy collapsed (and ultimately drowned) before someone actually did something, despite being told not to do it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's assuming they were there the whole time? Also, it's pretty well known that people are susceptible to the bystander effect, especially when someone of perceived higher authority is at the scene.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes. And? That's why they failed him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes. And? That's why they failed him.

So excuses for the trained first responders, blame the victim, and then blame the untrained bystanders who attempted to help? Is that how you want to frame this picture?

The civilians didn't fail him, the first responder system did. If the first responders would have taken action he'd be fine, if the first responders weren't at the scene the civilians would have saved him.

This situation happened because the people who are paid to help chose not too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

You think I’m blaming the victim?

No, no. I would never blame Raymond Zack - or anyone in his position. Never. Anybody who contemplates or ideates suicide is someone who needs our upmost attention and seriousness. For someone to actively start the process, regardless of intention, deserves it even more so.

I speak from personal experience.