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nah I love meat! Can't live without it. I thought I would eat factory manufactured meat, but that sounds like just a bunch of fucking chemicals bunched into one. I thought they would just grow meat like in the lab, but no. Pretty misleading ads out there.
Yes you can.
don't worry, we indians eat the lower meat per capita in the world. I don't eat meat once a week, it's more like, once every month
Fyi the Hexbear code says if you donβt want to have this debate you just need to say βdisengageβ and the person is supposed to respect your boundary.
I donβt know if people know that or not.
Not the person you were replying to, but thanks for the tip. Is this code collated together somewhere?
i think hammurabi wrote it
you don't know what anyone else needs
It's incredibly unlikely that they "need" meat. I do know that they need to stop killing sentient beings for their taste pleasure.
you don't know what they need.
You wouldn't believe me if I said I "need" a monster truck to commute to my desk job. There's a vanishingly small number of people who "need" to eat meat, and certainly not someone who says they need it because "I love it". If they had a genuine necessity they would have led with that.
Way to almost get it.
appeal to ridicule. you didn't event attempt to refute it (probably because the facts aren't on your side)
people have aesthetic needs and to dismiss them is antiscientific
No, I didn't "attempt to refute it" because I don't know what the fuck you're saying.
Are you secretly one of our vegan posters trying to be as insufferable as possible to make anti-vegans look bad? If so you're doing an incredible job
another appeal to ridicule, but i will take your claim that you actually don't grok what i said in good faith:
almost no one kills sentient beings except pests. sometimes, accidents also lead to the death of sentient beings, too. those are the only circumstances under which most people would be killing sentient beings.
pretty much no one does that at all, except pests or by accident
pretty sure most animals are killed for convenience or profit
Yes I do. You do not need to eat animals.
you can't tell people what they need. that's patronizing.
Okay, so we're patronizing then. So what?
Thanks for the tone policing, but you aren't making anything like a point.
people are the authority on their own needs. you can't tell them what they need.
I sure can. You do not need to eat animals. If you would like to make the ridiculous, extraordinary claim that you do need to eat animals, please provide evidence.
don't patronize me. you have no idea what anyone else needs.
Yes I do.
you don't know what anyone else's needs are: they are the authority on their own needs.
Incorrect.
I don't believe you. you haven't given me a reason. no one should.
Really stretching the definition of "need" here.
no one has defined it at all in this thread but if you want some help, you can ask maslow
Sure you can! Everyone who goes vegan or vegetarian manages to do it, and so can you!
And nobody goes vegan or vegetarian does it because they dislike the taste of meat - itβs because of the same reasons you wrote about the cows - itβs because we see animals as creatures which do not deserve to suffer just for our pleasure.
Everything you mentioned about why you donβt want to eat cows is just as true for all the other animals. Chickens are really friendly, playful and affectionate little guys! Pigs are smart and sweet, and have their own personalities.
Its true eating meat is nice, but it's terrible for the environment. At least consider eating less meet. You are lucky - there are many very tasty vegetarian Hindu meals.
https://www.slurrp.com/article/why-india-has-the-worlds-lowest-meat-consumption-per-person-1670058643313
Amen to very tasty vegetarian Indian meals! We have a shit ton of those and they make life worth living. Also, as I mentioned, I eat meat once/twice every month so it's not that big of a dent on the environment. Also, I live a life devoid of luxuries which westerners take for granted, pretty sure my carbon footprint is comparitively low
Respect to you.
And yes Indian vegetarian food is awesome, and so diverse, because all of the regions all have their unique cuisine.
thank you very much!
I think you mean farming is terrible for the environment.
eating meat has no impact on the environment at all
All food is just a bunch of chemicals bunched into one.
I know what you mean though, and while, as far as I know, some manufactured meat is actually just grown in a lab, there's a lot of stuff needed to keep cell cultures alive outside of a body that I wouldn't really want to eat or have around my food, so it'll be something to watch out for when it's widely available.
Still morally and environmentally better though, in most cases.
Highlighting this just because I happened to scroll down and came across this. Everything that constitutes matter is considered Chemical. The "X has lots of Chemicals while our product Y is chemical free" is a pseudo-scientific marketting tactic that Naturopaths and Ayurveds commonly use, at least from the Indian Context as I live here. Other than that, have whatever you desire. A person only has one life after all.