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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

So you just surrender and don't have a home anymore/die anyways?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago (21 children)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago

How would Ukrainians lose their homes/die if a successful peace deal was brokered?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

What do you mean by "don't have a home?"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

It would have to be a really shitty surrender treaty to have the clause "Ukraine will surrender all land to Russia and will also die anyways." Like you realize this is useless and dumb hyperbole right?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

What do you honestly think is going to happen to Ukraine if theres a ceasefire? Without using cartoon logic

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why do you think peace talks equal surrender? How do you think literally all other wars came to an end?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Because context is a thing. Or do you think Russia would currently accept any peace deal that includes leaving Ukraine? Of course there will have to be a peace deal at the end, but currently there are no peace deals that would be acceptable to either party.

When there is talk about “peace deals”, such deals are implied to somewhat reflect the status quo border wise, which at the moment would mean that Ukraine surrenders. It’s Russia currently occupying Ukraine and trying to legitimise it, not the other way around. No shit a peace deal would be favourable to them.