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Prove it. I can, and have proved it to the point I have an entire megathread and there's a thriving comm on it at [email protected]
"Stalker behavior" implies stalking specific people, I'm not stalking anyone.
Prove you're stalking the instance to pull content or that world is pushing propaganda?
At least make a bot account to do it so you aren't as obviously stalking for content.
A bot account would be a good idea, so that someone can separate @[email protected] the actual human account vs. the automatic ones, if they wanted to block those. Democracy is based on choices so providing more choices helps increase freedom.
I mean sure, except there is no automation lmao it's all done manually by human hands
Those hands are busy ha ha
It doesn't matter: I am speaking of acting in full friendliness to the recipient. Right now someone (such as OP) has the choice either to block you or not block you, whereas having those reposts be done via a separate account opens up a new possibility to not block you the human, but do block those reposts. Of course, it would be your call but I thought I would offer the suggestion as something to ponder:-).
Or maybe the time for all of this is over - as you said somewhere here recently, lemmy.ml is dying off now, unlike when you started, so perhaps the Threadiverse is past the need for this effort to spread things around? I would go so far as to say that if the rest of the Threadiverse cannot survive without posts from lemmy.ml, then that does not bode well for our future? At some point - and perhaps we are there already, it being now 2 years since the Rexodus - we need to either sink or swim on our own?
Edit: fwiw, I personally blocked literally all users from lemmy.ml 9 months ago - going so far as to move to PieFed where I could actually accomplish that aim - and I have enjoyed the Threadiverse much better since then! :-) We'll be fine then, methinks.
Maybe, I'll ponder it, maybe experiment a bit. But I have not achieved my goals yet, so it's too early to end it out right
Just blocking .ml on an individual basis, while good for individuals to not see their crap, doesn't really fix the problem. The continued spread of misinformation and attempts to enforce the narrative as "truth" by making it appear as though there's no dissent about it (on .ml).
This is harming the overall growth of the Threadiverse IMHO. New users come, aren't aware they need to block .ml and miss the threads talking about it, and then get scared off when inevitably they start going on one of their rants about how NK isn't a dictatorship. Or maybe they never come back after commenting in support of Ukraine or something (Which they continue to push the Russia narrative is being entirely run by "Nazis" and Russia was justified to invade), get dunked on and then catch a ban for it.
Russia has been talked about for having mis/disinformation campaigns for the purpose of furthering their goals for at least a decade now. We should not be a party to allowing that to spread. And I see a crap ton of various untrustworthy news sites they pass off as highly credible and will viciously defend it and censor anyone who calls it out.
Thank you for your efforts on behalf of the Fediverse. I am not sure if they are the best way to go or not (neither am I saying that I have any better ideas:-P), but at the very least I want to applaud your enthusiasm.
A year and a half ago when Kbin.social went down, I bounced around from StarTrek.Website to Discuss.Online before finally settling on PieFed.social. In that migration I found that my chief abhorrence - and what nearly caused me to leave Lemmy entirely (and ultimately did, come to think of it, in the sense that I left "Lemmy" to come to PieFed, while remaining on the Threadiverse) was not lemmy.ml, but rather hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml. Those two were WAAAAY worse.
But I get your point: lemmy.ml in some ways is worse not because it is as "in your face" as those other two, but since it appears more "normal", at first glance, and therefore is more insidious. And it is not the only one: you know about midwest.social as well, surely.
That said, it was hexbear and lemmygrad that almost caused me to nope out and surely does similarly for others as well. So I petitioned for discuss.online to defederate from the former (it already had the latter), and I included lemmy.ml in that as well but that part was declined, and now Blaze can recommend discuss.online especially to an American audience, which is what makes up the bulk of those on Reddit, to try to make Lemmy more enticing to come over here to.
After that, I sorta just gave up on Lemmy. They control the sourcecode, they control everything, it is not merely just solely their personal instance but the entire framework: Lemmy is somehow more authoritarian than even Reddit was - at least Reddit would notify you when content was removed, and offer the ability to respond via modmail, plus keep the post up (merely removing it from the community "feed", yet still the page remains accessible to someone who has the URL) so as not to delete all of the myriad other conversations that happened, having been spawned initially from the OP but taking on new life of their own. Lemmy will never catch up to this - in contrast it seems hell-bent on moving in the exact opposite direction, removing the names of mods (so now you cannot even DM them) and instead merely saying "mod", plus when content is removed the message says "try again later". Seriously, WTF!? How can "trying again at a later time" help someone find a post that they made, that got deleted and then virtually all traces that it ever even so much as existed at some point in the past are simply... gone, like it never was in the first place?!
When spez did such things, we left Reddit over it. However, when the lemmy.ml devs do them... we suck it up, and we take it. Because there are no better options, we tell ourselves, and we don't want to make our own.
Fortunately, not everyone thinks like that: Mbin has been going strong even after Ernst had all his personal problems and abandoned Kbin, Mbin took up the charge. And Sublinks got a heavy start as well (though similarly to Ernst, the main dev had personal irl issues that got in the way of finishing it). And now PieFed is not merely a heavy start but has surpassed Lemmy, and even Reddit in a number of ways - it needs some polish, sure, but it's no longer simply a "heavy start", it's a fully functioning viable Lemmy / Reddit alternative.
I give up hope on Lemmy ever doing anything to fix its major structural issues; and I now transfer those hopes to PieFed. Which solves the even more major problem of using the Lemmy sourcecode... but does not solve the problem of disinformation being spread on the Threadiverse.
Like I did in making a petition to defederate hexbear from Discuss.Online, perhaps you would like to petition PieFed.social to defederate Lemmy.ml? Lemmy.World never will, and likely discuss.online and all the others too, because of the software considerations - although PieFed.World might? (it has not yet: I still see lemmy.ml communities listed on it) You would be a good person to list out the references and make a cogent argument for the need to do so? [email protected] might be the best place to send it.
Anyway, things are improving, slowly, over time. :-)
[email protected] and other communities are still the references on their topic by far
Yeah, you noble saviours of the fediverse need to keep on trying to destroy those evil communities, like the ml crows one.
I never interacted with that community, and I suggested cm0002 to stop reposting your content several times
Did you not follow me to the sopuli meta comm, making up stories about my character, to try and discredit my complaint about this?
I guess it got a bit too uncomfortable to defend when bystanders create topics like this, so you give in a bit but keep on applauding and talking about the importance of this ill intended reposting.
I didn't follow you anywhere, I subscribe to most of the meta communities of active instances to see what is happening.
This post doesn't seem there anymore, I guess you removed it.
IIRC (which might not be the case, as the post isn't there anymore), I didn't make up stories, I pointed out to previous comments from your part, which showed your past behaviour
Deleting accounts prevents accountability from past behaviour.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/47235271/19581440
If you see applauding there, we can just disagree.
Yeah, i do remember you made up stuff there. Something like how i would be someone who is against lemmy and shitting on the project as a whole, you were also linking that post that you linked here again as "proof", funnily you also posted that one somewhere here in this topic for "context". What context? I don't get what you find offensive about that post.
And yes, i thought (still think) you and the other people coming into that topic with your "lemmy world is trash" takes was besides the point and dumb as hell. And it was like the first three out of four replies with that take (i guess shitting on world was more in fashion than it currently is), that annoyed me, so i replied to that. I have no problem being accountable for my past behaviour, i don't think i misbehaved, i never got banned anywhere, never got a post or comment removed. Wait, i got a post removed from android@lemdroid, because i was asking a support question or something.
And that one non applause comment of yours is being followed with reasons why the reposting should continue, https://mander.xyz/post/32516449/20320288 also reads a lot like you saying the reposting by "no-bot busy-hands" must go on.
edit: Found your comment making up stuff:
So first you tried to discredit me with the 7 day old account shtick, then minutes later edit in the rest, knowing full well i was not a new user. I even mention and link to my old username in the PSA, you can still look at them since the deletion did not federate properly, so no attempt at conceiling my "horrible past behaviour".
Are you active on privacy communities? Following your logic about crows, you should not care.
As you removed the post, we cannot actually discuss what happened there.
You also removed your other comments in that thread: https://sopuli.xyz/post/24284086/15574358
As I said above, there's no point about discussing things when you constantly remove comments and posts, removing any potential accountability
I don't follow the privacy community but
Not sure what logic of mine you're talking about.
Oh and here is my post in the sopuli meta comm with my comments included, where you came in making up stuff about me and here is the complete crow/corvids consolidation topic.
edit: Kinda interesting to see that all you seem to want to do in that sopuli topic is discredit me, apparently fully supporting the whole crows/corvids shenanigans.
https://sopuli.xyz/post/28058690/16961525
For the aggression:
https://kbin.earth/m/[email protected]/t/1090207/Consolidating-crow-raven-and-corvid-communities/comment/5810433#entry-comment-5810433
For the negative towards the platform, your posts still appear as deleted on https://kbin.earth/m/[email protected]/t/943009/PSA-Lemmy-account-deletion-is-a-mess#comments so we can't assess
Here is the PSA with my comments intact. Just a google search, haha. Bit shit format due to nodebb, but yeah.
https://community.nodebb.org/topic/0f34ac0a-0a98-4cae-b3c8-30a8af06a9e1/psa-lemmy-account-deletion-is-a-mess/
So, clue me in, where am i "overtly aggressive and negative towards the platform as a whole."
https://community.nodebb.org/topic/0f34ac0a-0a98-4cae-b3c8-30a8af06a9e1/psa-lemmy-account-deletion-is-a-mess/16
https://community.nodebb.org/topic/0f34ac0a-0a98-4cae-b3c8-30a8af06a9e1/psa-lemmy-account-deletion-is-a-mess/27
https://community.nodebb.org/topic/0f34ac0a-0a98-4cae-b3c8-30a8af06a9e1/psa-lemmy-account-deletion-is-a-mess/31
Yeah i wrote that, but i don't understand your point. What is your point? You were talking about ml privacy and other comms that still need to be hurt.
For the "aggression"* - I stand by that, seems warranted to me, seems a lot more harmless than trying to destroy other peoples communities. Is that all the dirt you got on me?
I am now not cycling through the instances to see where the deletion of my PSA comments did not federate, but i know that i did not say what you claimed i said there, i remember i have said something along the lines of "this place seems to have gotten worse while i was gone", that is the only thing i can think of. Anyway, just seeing you entering the sopuli topic with the goal to just discredit me and gloss over the points i'm making is enough for me really. Take the 7-day-old-account shtick, you knew full well i was not new.
*edit: you claimed i was being aggressive and negative towards the platform as a whole.
It is hard to overcome the network effect.
That sucks for people banned from that community due to their comments shared on entirely unrelated matters in unrelated communities elsewhere on lemmy.ml. The modlog shows that people get banned from it every other day or so - very often happening to multiple people on the same day.
Definitely