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Trump's base was vocally divided over the prospects of direct U.S. attacks up until the moment they happened.

The MAGA movement's top influencers were divided over bombing Iran until Donald Trump did just that Saturday night.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (30 children)

I just saw another video of Theo Von clearly struggling with his support of Trump. I’ve seen so many others in that same position. On one hand, yeah, it’s easy to call them idiots for not seeing it sooner. But on the other, I get it. You go from being a comedian to suddenly part of this powerful inner circle, and that kind of validation is intoxicating, especially for someone with addiction issues who’s always chasing a high.

What frustrates me is how we, especially on the left, tend to fumble these moments. Instead of recognizing that some of these people might be waking up, we rush to humiliate them. We waste the opportunity to build something better just so we can rub their faces in it and get our own little high.

That’s something that really pisses me off about the left: the way we seize the worst possible opportunities and completely ignore the critical ones. Right now, yeah, some MAGA influencers are doubling down. But others? They're starting to crack. And instead of isolating them even more, maybe we should be thinking about how to help them speak about their shift in perspective.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

What frustrates me is how we, especially on the left, tend to fumble these moments. Instead of recognizing that some of these people might be waking up, we rush to humiliate them. We waste the opportunity to build something better just so we can rub their faces in it and get our own little high.

I'll give a prime example of this: Liz Cheney.

Now don't get me wrong. I disagree with 99.9% of her policy decisions. And yes, she helped create the beast. But we keep asking when Republicans are going to finally say "I've had enough of this." and stand up to Trump. And she did. Again, say what you will about her policies but in the end, she literally put her career on the line and got excommunicated from her own party in order to expose Trump and attempt to hold him accountable.

And we responded to the courage it must have taken her to be the first prominent member of her party to break ranks with Trump by ostracizing her too. "HAHAHA now teh leopardz r eating ur face". We laughed as she was basically run out of politics at warp speed. Rather than at least try to work with her and use her to build a bipartisan coalition against Trump, we decided to get a few kicks of our own in while she was down. And then we wonder why nobody else from the party has followed in her footsteps.

I'm not saying we should have thrown her a ticker-tape parade or anything like that. But we keep asking what it's going to take for Republicans to break ranks and cross the aisle to stand up to Trump. How can we expect them to do that when that is how they're going to be treated? If the best Democrats have to offer them is to make fun of them and kick them while they're down, it shouldn't be a surprise that they stick to the abusive relationship they're already in. And I'm not saying that we needed to vote her back into office. But there was an opportunity to use the influence she had to at least try to build a bipartisan coalition against Trump and we squandered it because we have also allowed politics to get so tribal that anyone on the other side is always wrong no matter what and is always the enemy forever and ever and ever amen instead of ever admitting that they may actually have a point once in a while.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Dems never learn. Republicans will not abandon their hatred no matter how nice you are to them. They only understand cruelty. Republicans want nothing to do with Cheney and have zero respect for Democrats, and anyone to the left of George Bush hates Cheney. Mythical moderate Republicans were the only people who could have embraced Cheney im a meaningful way but they do not exist. Move left and embrace populism or lose forever on behalf of corporate donors who are happy under fascism.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/liz-cheney-electoral-fiasco-kamala-harris/

They do not respect your opinion. They could care less what the mainstream thinks of them. If you are a Democrat what you actually believe has no impact on any Republican. They will make up whatever they want about you and believe that instead. Just fight already

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Even in this very thread I see neolibs have not learned. Unfortunately just like the rise of fascism 100 years ago, neoliberalism once again is the kindle to the flame.

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