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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

The thing is and this might be yet again stating the obvious, how is this a China win?

If "Israel running out of [insert key resource/weapon"] is such a great 5d play then why didn't China already embargo Israel over the last 18 months of genocide, couldn't they see that continuing to support Israel would lead to them continuing their aggression? The 5d chess players couldn't even play the 1st move of checkers, perhaps if Israel were under such an embargo there wouldn't even be a war with Iran right now. In fact, hey Xi if you're still listening, the best time to stop trading and sustaining Israel's economy was 18 months ago, the second best time is today, just saying.

But the elephant in the room is that this wasn't a 5d move or a principled act, China only reacted after being pressured by Trump's tariffs. Yet they welcomed Biden's admin in 2024 with open arms even as the Biden team pressured them to change their economy.

The elephant in the room is if Trump wasn't an idiot pivoting from big plot to big plot to get his desperate huge W, if he had simply started the Iran war before pressuring China with the tariffs there would certainly be no rare earth ban right now.

That the CPC was pressured against the wall and forced to use the rare earth ban for leverage now allegedly causes inconvenience to Israel is just a happy coincidence. We need quite a bit more of those for meaningful change and it is pitiful to portray this as some 5d chess.

You are literaly one of the most responsible(and South Africa's coal etc) for Israel to remain stable enough to function as a society right now, zero self-awareness from the grifters right now, can't even read the damn room.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

was China under a lot of pressure? it seemed to me like they held all the cards the whole time. they used the situation to have a political and trade related motivation for stopping eare earth metal exports, knowing that us military assets are dependent on those resources. I might be giving China too much credit tho

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

they used the situation to have a political and trade related motivation for stopping eare earth metal exports, knowing that us military assets are dependent on those resources.

This doesn't make much sense though. The rare earth mineral, despite what the grifters want to claim, will only realy make a material difference in this war months if not years from now.

The current US stocks already exist, obviously. The IDF bombs and missiles already exist, the US already made even more contracts to build even more bombs, JDAMs specificaly, that are being used in Iran and Gaza right now. This was April 2025 US approves major weapons shipment to Israel as IDF prepares for Gaza offensive, eyes Iran

My point is if China was using the rare earth ban as a principled tool of aiding the resistance in the ME they would have done this 18 months ago. Yet not only they didn't but they spent all this time welcoming Biden and even wholesale accepting the previous US admin demands.

Indeed if Kamala had won(or Trump not done the tariffs) we would be in the same Iran war right now but without the tariffs ban there would be no RE ban, just like in the 14 months of Biden there was no embargo against Israel, which btw don't forget we saw Syria collapse under Biden and the Israel embassy strike too. We knew Israel was escalating for about 12 months now too sadly.

And of course lets admit that the RE ban was a much stronger measure than necessary, so why not simply stop the civilian trade with Israel, nobody would've blamed them except the western neolibs who would cry "China is HAMAS!1!!1!" for picking a side. At that point, sadly as I repeat often China cares far too much about having their seat at the "civilized" table and not about ideals of international socialist struggle or anything like that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I don't really know what their motivations are, but they may have some reason for avoiding open conflict with the US. Yemen and the few other early resistance nations don't have much to lose. They can't really make any political moves, but China has the ability to engage diplomatically in a way that the US really can't counter. Maybe China sees their actions as the best option to draw out the Americans and deplete their resources and good will.

I feel u tho, I do wish someone was in a position to directly counter US Israeli aggression and able to sway other nations to oppose genocidal imperialism.

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