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It is ironic. Just like how the West moved to condemn the Russian attack on Ukraine while wholeheartedly embracing the Israeli attack on Iran.
If Ukraine had done to russia half of what was done to Israel over the decades by hamas/hezbollah/houthis/Iran?, nobody would give a crap about Ukraine either. But Ukraine never attacked russia until russia decided to take the whole country.
So, yes, Israel is going way too far, the genocidal government is full of war criminals, especially now that they keep massacring after already destroyed hamas, hezbollah and destroyed Iran's nuclear program, but do not compare it to Ukraine, Ukraine never did anything outside international law. Thanks.
People under an illegal occupation have every right to resist that occupation including through armed struggle. That is enshrined in international law through the Fourth Geneva Convention as well as UN General Assembly Resolutions such as Resolution 3314.
Don't confuse the West's labelling of anti colonial movements like the ANC, PLO and now Hamas as "terrorists", with international law.
And people outside bought and captured Western governments very much do give a crap about Palestine
Yeah, it's tragic (and the UN's original sin) that Palestine has lived in a legal limbo since 48. When Israel was created, Palestine should have been officially created as a state alongside it, but the palestinian leaders at the time and since have refused to recognize the partition (so it is always mindblowing to me to see that western countries have to expressly recognize Palestine, because legally without Palestine there is no Israel)...so...it's at least more contentious than russia invading the sovereign country Ukraine...twice and denying that it is a real country (russia is both as brutal as Israel and as crazy as hamas).
You mean the Palestinians refused to accept their own country being partitioned and half of it given away to colonists? Gosh, how unreasonable of them.
By the way if you read Israeli historians like Ilan Pappe the Zionists had no intention of honouring the partition in 1948. They had Plan Dalet drawn up to ethnically cleanse and destroy 500 villages and expel Palestinians from cities. Their intention was a full takeover of the country.
It wasn't the Palestinians' own country yet, it was first an Ottoman province and then a british Colony. Just like the partition of India in 47 didn't give all of british India to Indians, Palestinians didn't get all of the land they claimed. Plus the partition plan was plain stupid and bound to end in violence by "sharing" Jerusalem.
But I get it, the difference here is that most Israelis were immigrants to the mandate and refugees from WW2 with a clear nationalist intent to have a jewish country for jewish people with jewish rule and jewish laws...by violence if necessary.
Yeah, I guess one way to look at it is as colonizers or a "cruzader kingdom", but in this case there is no original jewish country to return to in their own worldview...so that approach is just going to get you endless war against an embattled people.
But to return to the main point I was making: none of this is equivalent to what russia did. The partition of the USSR was done peacefully, accepted by both sides and since 2007 russia decided they couldn't let their neighbour live in peace, culminating in the 2014 and 2022 invasions.
It's as if Israel and Palestine had decided to coexist peacefully and then 30 years later one of them decided to take over and deny the other's right to exist the other for no good reason. (plus one of them is the largest country in the world, even less reason to conquer anybody else)
Really? Who else was living there?
So you're saying, under the dead hand of the Ottomans, that Greeks weren't Greek, people in the Balkan weren't Balkan, Egyptians weren't Egyptian?
And what about Italy prior to its unification? Was that fair game for colonists too?
No, Ukraine was not officially a country until it officially signed independence from the USSR, no. That's exactly my point. That's why Taiwan is such a contentious issue, I guess. That's why Tibet is not a country...Scotland...Kurdistan...Catalonia, the list is very long.
To add to this, the Palestinian leadership, in all its "elected" forms has been incredibly toxic over all these decades.
Not just toxic towards it's own people with murders of the common man and theft of food and funds to keep their expensive hobbies and have everybody suffer as long as the top lived in comfort, but also outward internationally.
Stabbings, bombings, murders in countries that have nothing to do with the matters at hand, all done in the name of and organized through Palestinian governmental parties under one big banner "death to Israel and israelis". It's almost as if a recognized Palestinian state was never the goal, and there have been multiple chances, but always the credo of "Israel must burn".
Ofcourse this was repeatedly shown to be the influence of Iran. An Iran that is just as toxic to it's own people and seems to carry only the message of annihilation of Israel towards the world.
In the end it is now a bit odd that the West is pressurized to recognize Palestine as a state, while in reality through all those years Palestine itself never wanted the recognition, it only wanted the eradication of Israel.
About the other side, while Israel for years was fairly "ok" to keep Gaza as a separate entity and who knows it might have let it become its own state in time, has had its soul pushed into the abhorrent actions it is performing now.
All this by its own dark half claiming to be the government suitable to respond to Palestinian terrorism. This IS a stain on the Israeli soul, and there comes a time they will recognize it as such.
Israel had an open policy of killing off the moderates. That's what you have left when you do that.
Israel also provided support to Hamas to weaken the somewhat less insane Fatah. And now they're resorting to genocide to deal with the blowback.
If they want sympathy, it's in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.
This is pure Hasbara.
Interesting how you see this, I am not Jewish, nor have any ties with Israel, I even have serious doubt towards Israel as it is today compared what it was meant to be in spirit.
The greed has always been there, and will be there, look at Trump and his bungalow park ... as has been the manipulation of the original tribes of the Palestinian lands, who went from small numbers to millions thanks to non indigenous people coming in, over just a few decades... None of whom came to settle there to live a happy life but had a different purpose.
But there needs to be a point where both sides' leaders have said enough, we cannot let ourselves progress by throwing us endlessly in an ever consuming fire.
And if the leadership was not willing the population should have.
From the Palestinian side this realization never came, sacrifice has become the goal. Nor could they come to terms with the fact that Israel will never go away no more.
From Israel's side there was still some minor terror and humans in general have an ugly spirit to attack "the other". But inside Gaza the Palestinians could mostly fend for themselves, and were given a lot of funds from international sources, but whatever was done with it it was not used to enrich the Palestinians.
It was better for them to have build a shiny beacon that would outshine Israel ...
This is Hasbara (land without a people for a people without a land)
Gaza was under a brutal economic siege from 2007 with Israel blocking off fuel, concrete and even chocolate and 80% of the population surviving on UNRWA aid. They couldn't even dig water wells without the permission of the army and there were regular airstrikes by the IDF. ("mowing the lawn").
Saying the Palestinians could have built a Singapore there is utter nonsense spouted by Israel supporters as perverse victim blaming.
Btw you don't have to be Jewish to be Zionist.
All the less reason to be repeating propaganda, then.
Yup agreed