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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 51 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (27 children)

Yeah but as someone from southern new england I can assure you the irish immigrants still aren't accepted there totally either. Day to day interactions no one targets you for being Irish descent but structurally being Irish American is considered to be barely white, more like poor white which is barely white among elite circles (ughh Boston is full of the descendents of the original immigrant european religious fanatics and it shows sometimes).

Doesn't make any of this right but notice the way oppression must metabolize and neutralize solidarity in a fractal process of targetting vulnerable groups along whatever axis they are exploitable along. Irish Americans must be both the oppressed and the oppressor for the system to work, and it is the same thing just more dogpiled the further you go down the ladder of real privilege.

There was no damn potato famine, there was just England prototyping modern colonialism and capitalism on Ireland.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (22 children)

but structurally being Irish American is considered to be barely white, more like poor white which is barely white among elite circles

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but interested in more info. What practical ways does this manifest for these folks? Are they subject to additional law enforcement scrutiny, denied job opportunities, or historically discriminated against in mortgage lending? Or are there other ways I'm not thinking of?

[–] adminofoz@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also not trying to pick a fight.

Poor whites are subjected to subject to additional law enforcement scrutiny, denied job opportunities, and discriminated against when trying to purchase a home. Im not saying it's on the same level that it happens to black folks or actual minorities. But you don't have to be Irish, to be white and get shafted by capitalism.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Poor whites are subjected to subject to additional law enforcement scrutiny, denied job opportunities, and discriminated against when trying to purchase a home.

This I completely recognize and agree with, but that wasn't the premise posted. The premise was "Irish American". I'd never heard that as a modern day form of discrimination, and that's why I was questioning it.

But you don’t have to be Irish, to be white and get shafted by capitalism.

Right again, but again, that wasn't the premise posted.

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