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"KDE for Windows 10 Exiles" is a new KDE initiative inviting Windows 10 users to switch to Linux and the Plasma desktop.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

On October 14 Microsoft wants to turn [your computer] into junk. It may seem like it continues to work after that date.

I don't begrudge KDE for fishing for converts. It's a perfectly reasonable idea and hey, already more structured marketing than most Linux initiatives ever get around to deploying.

The page does highlight some of the contradictions in the W10 EoL being the great big hope for a major Linux transition for average users. For one thing... yeah, it won't seem like all those computers keep working, they will keep working. Indefinitely. Having to explain to people that their perfectly working computer is actually not working despite all available evidence is a bit of an issue.

The whole page is a who's who of flawed arguments Linux advocates keep impotently making at Windows users. It may be more useful as a guide for the things Linux contributors should be focusing on fixing than as an outreach tool.

Just for a few examples:

For the technically minded, need to connect to your web server to update your blog, or your cloud to upload photos, or even your software repository for development? Just pop open Dolphin, Plasma's file explorer, and use its connectivity tools, that include FTP/SSH clients, cloud integration software, Git/SVN/Mercurial, and more.

Yeah, who the hell is out there SSHing into their web server "to update their blog" but needs to be talked down like a toddler to convince them to try out Linux? This is a mythical beast of an user that does not exist.

You may be wondering if you will still be able to do what you did on Windows.

Linux does take some getting used to after years of using Windows, and you may need different programs to work and play.

Right, that's a big red flag right there for any normie or semi-tech literate professional with a set workflow.

But there are three tricks that will make the transition easier:

  1. Rely on the Free Software community ... And ask a lot of questions! Linux users are a proud bunch and will happily guide you so you quickly become at home.

Nobody wants to ask any questions. Users want to be hand-held by their interface, not a community. Definitely not the Linux community (see the inevitable set of comments soon to materialize below this as an example).

  1. Do not expect the same things you would use in Windows ... but instead look for the programs that will do the same job on Linux.

This is a massive dealbreaker for a whole bunch of people, for understandable reasons.

Keeping all your files and folders will require some planning, but it is not hard. Get yourself an external hard disk you can plug into a USB port and dump all the stuff you want to save on that. You will have no problem reading it from Plasma later on.

This is simultaneoulsy an over and understatement. You can very likely access your old Windows drives from Linux, but it's janky enough that this piece of advice makes sense. Plus you're very likely to squash a bunch of your storage when installing Linux anyway. And when you think about the idea of pulling a couple of terabytes out of your machine just to copy them back over to the exact same drive this seems like a bit more of a hassle than presented.

I haven't thought about this particular issue in a while because I'm set up so it doesn't matter much to me when I install either OS, but... yeah, someone should find a better solution to this.

No forced updates

However, every single tutorial and guide you read will tell you to update all right at the top with the compulsive zeal of a puppy who has just smelled a hidden treat. You may not grow to be as annoyed by this as I am... but if you do, know that I see you.

Again, I am on board with the initiative. I just think there is a bit of denial about both the upcoming demise of Win10 and about how viable this transition process is for the types of users stuck in Win10 at the end of 2025. The entire document is an accidental admission of the gaps that still exist and I would love for it to become a roadmap of things to improve more than a pitch at this void Venn diagram of hypothetical users. If the caveats they list here get fixed it will take remarkably less coaxing to bring users over next time.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

To be fair, a lot of the things you listed are impossible for KDE to fix. You can't make every single windows program work on Linux, you shouldn't make KDE have exactly the same workflows as Windows, KDE isn't gonna make it easier/better to install Linux on NTFS, and they have no control over tutorials that instruct people to update their software - How could any of these be used as a roadmap?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Alright, so add that to the top of the pile of issues, then.

The fact that the current development structure producing Linux and its distros/DEs can't solve those issues doesn't justify the issues. End users won't give Linux a pass, they just want this stuff to work.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Windows 8 to Windows 10, and Windows 10 to Windows 11 didn't have the exact same workflows either. That's a big part of the reason many people that had compatible hardware didn't upgrade to 11 when given the chance. I think we need to stop trying to cater to expectations of things working exactly the same and instead educate on "things are going to change, but you can be in control of how they change".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Windows 8 to Windows 10 didn't. Which is why Windows 8 was quickly swept under the rug and Windows 9 was named Windows 8.1 to try to make people forget that ever happened.

10 to 11 are reskins of each other as far as the UX is concerned. Behind the scenes there are some hardware and software compatibility quirks, but at the user level it's perhaps the least eventful Windows transition ever.

I know people complain about the enshittification in 11, but a lot of people leave out that many of the controversial features got patched into 10 as well.

I agree with the idea that selling that everything can be the same on Linux is not a great plan, but Linux advocates often focus on the wrong things to keep and change. They are often very focused on having a similar looking desktop, which nobody cares too much about, and really dismissive about software not having Linux ports, which is a catastrophic issue.

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