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For a capitalist party? Absolutely not. You’re giving them consent to govern on your behalf, and reinforcing their legitimacy.
It grants you slower fascism rather than fast fascism.
One day of voting for Democrats seems like it could prevent a lot of bad from happening. It's a pretty good bang for your buck in terms of time spent organizing.
As far as consent and legitimacy goes, that's more of a media thing, not a voting thing.
No, that’s a reflection of the privilege you enjoy personally under Democrats. There are many, many people who have suffered and died under the fascism of Democrats as well.
Once you’re advocating for voting for a genocidal party as ‘harm reduction’, it’s very clearly just an argument of maintaining personal privilege.
Also, the harm reduction argument is made up. Once you compare their actual policies, and not what they campaign on, you’ll see the difference between the two parties is nonexistent. Which is as expected from two parties accepting money from the same oligarchs.
I agree they both are fed by the same oligarchs. And I agree that the fascism of the Democrats have killed people.
But you can't say the difference is non-existent. Was Biden or Kamala going to start shipping citizens over El Salvador? I think not and arguing that the two parties are the same is very silly.
Also thanks to first pass the post not voting for Democrats is giving more power to Republicans. Whose fascism will kill way more than the Democratic fascism.
I’m begging you to question what you’ve been led to believe are fundamental truths.
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20200109/110349/HHRG-116-GO00-20200109-SD007.pdf
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o.amp
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-set-broaden-arrests-deportation-routes-expand-immigration-crackdown-2025-02-21/
https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/how-can-3-year-old-represent-himself-court
So your argument is Biden deported more people. Ok, I don't disagree with those articles. Now that it is May, I wonder what the numbers are and if they are comparable. Also, Trump isn't deporting less because he is pro immigration. He is deporting less because of skill issues on his part. If he could he would deport 5 times as many people as Biden. Again, I am not saying the Dems are saints here.
But lets say I give you that. Biden is worse on immigration. Do you have articles on Biden doing unitary executive theory? Do you have articles on Biden deporting innocent US citizens? How about articles about how Bidens head of health and human services is targeting all autistic people? Biden arresting judges? The bad stuff the Democrats do the Republican party also does and more. We are very close to losing habeas corpus in the US.
The shift to fascism has rapidly accelerated in the US since the republicans have taken office and I just don't see that same acceleration with the Dems. I am trying to understand how you could seriously compare the two parties and say they are equivalent, but I don't see it. Right now, the only thing that makes sense to me is that you are a Republican and you want people to not vote in elections because that benefits Republicans. You don't seem like that kind of person though, so, can you help me understand?
LoL. I wasn’t asking if you disagree. The math is the math. But oh how very gracious of you to give me that! And you gave away your whole game when you moved the goals posts, and hand-waved Biden’s mass deportation record as Trump having a “skill issue.”
It’s actually that the media, the party, and people like you go to sleep when a Democrat is in charge, and they get away with doing whatever the fuck they want. Y’all straight up don’t give a shit, so long as it’s a Democrat crime.
Fuck off, troll.
Ok, so you have very specific secret reasons why we shouldn't vote for the lesser evil, or you are just a Republican troll.
I guess that is the best I can do.
LoL. Democrats commit genocide, set records deporting, privatize the social safety net, escalate multiple war fronts with nuclear superpowers, confirm Trump appointees, fund Trump’s fascism… and you think it’s some great mystery why anyone would oppose the “lesser evil” voting strategy?
You’ve got your head so far up your ass that you look like a walking Klein bottle.
Yes, all of that is bad. And the Republicans do all of that too. And the Republicans do more. The history has been pretty clear here.
Most people's position is that Republicans are worse than Democrats. The people who are accelerationists don't deny that. You on the other hand are taking the psychotic position that both parties are the same.
I'm now leaning towards you're a Republican troll.
Oh hey I'm glad you brought up "genocide". You remind me very much of Trump and his whoppers. But this gives us an opportunity to review Lenin and Stalin's genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulag_Archipelago
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0967067X97000111
https://www.chinafile.com/library/nyrb-china-archive/who-killed-more-hitler-stalin-or-mao
https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2010/09/naimark-stalin-genocide-092310
https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/ezpp8k/how_many_people_did_stalin_actually_kill/
https://allthatsinteresting.com/how-many-people-did-stalin-kill
https://www.britannica.com/place/Soviet-Union/The-U-S-S-R-from-the-death-of-Lenin-to-the-death-of-Stalin
Genocide in scare quotes?
netanyahu is committing genocide. No quotes. Genocide deniers are gross.
netanyahu is alive and actively committing genocide. Stalin died in 1953. He's not in the room with us right now.
You need to find a local socialist group to get involved with. Hopefully that will help deprogram you of the Democrat propaganda you’ve absorbed.
If you get more involved, you’ll quickly realize that the Democrats are more active villains than you currently realize, and are the primary party we’re having to battle.
Already in the social labor party, but the restrictions of a 527 organization seem so... broken? The political party can't endorse any specifc candidates, pay for campaign expenses, etc. You'd need a PAC for that.
After all of those hurdles, the idea of a third party being viable across all states seem very far away, and with FPTP systems it is very unlikely that it would be able to do anything before people are put in camps for being LGBTQ+ or calling out fascists for what they are.
Considering the Democrats are moving even further to the right, I don’t understand your logic in thinking that continuing to vote for Democrats will solve any of those problems. As we’ve already seen, voting for Democrats isn’t even harm reduction. Biden armed a genocide, and deported 250% more people than Trump.
That didn't address any of my concerns, but okay...
Let me ask you this. How many significant "third parties" have gotten a significant number of votes in elections, in the 250 years that this country has been sovereign?
There was Roosevelt in 1912 with the progressive party that got most of his voters after splitting from republicans (supported largely by the north at the time). The [white supremacist] American Independent party in 1968 split off from the democrat party (at that time, supported largely by the south) The Independent party in 1992 split off from the republican party, and even though they got nearly a fifth of the popular vote, they didn't get any electoral votes.
Historically, a third party has only gotten significant traction by infiltrating and then splitting off from a major party. Why would we not want to fracture this broken democrat party into something useful? We have the opportunity, and I firmly believe that the youth (once they start voting and getting on their feet enough to stand in this sea of shit that we find ourselves in) will make that move to split and reform the party to be something better.
I can understand not wanting to vote for someone who endorses some of the things you oppose (and some things that you might even be okay with!), but I do not understand still withholding that vote when the other option is someone whose actions repeatedly endorse ALL the things you oppose, but orders of magnitude worse.
It really undermines your attempt at pretending to be leftist, when you just repeat the Democrat script every single bot uses.
Wow you guys haven't changed at all since 1917. This is a remarkable consistency for 108 years. Lenin and Stalin also saw their primary enemies as the other leftwing parties instead of the conservatives. They killed and/or imprisoned literally every member of Russia's other 2 socialist parties, the Menshiviks and the Socialist Revolutionary Party.
I am glad you agree that consent is important. The Communists ruled Russia for 74 years without anybody's consent, so I will assume you understand as all of us do that they are every bit as bad as their Fascist allies.
Conservatives have never forgiven Communists for the fall of Berlin.