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Still a useless definition. Essentially all wars are imperialist under this definition, unless it's the most insignificant little border skirmish.
When the hell did the Soviet Union fund RWDS? I live in latam and the only influence of the Soviet Union I know is supporting national liberation movements. The US has only done the same when the movements were corrupt and put landowners' interests on top of the peasantry's (i.e. those who wanted to keep colonial relations but under a new flag).
Because Hong Kong being a satellite state of the West used to destabilize the only remaining major communist power would be so much better? Like it wasn't just blatantly stolen Terra Nulius style by the British to traffic opium into China?
England takes Hong Kong, that's imperialism.
China takes it back, also imperialism i guess.
Exactly! A country should belong to the people who live in in and not to neighboring empires who call dibs on someone else's home.
This view is typically called anti-imperialism.
Then you should be supporting the people of Donbas in their anti-imperialist struggle against the neo-nazi Ukrainian regime that had been trying to ethnically cleanse them and seize control of all their resources to sell off to western private interests. Just as you should be cheering on the Russians who came to their aid and prevented them from being wiped out by said nazis. But instead you've confused anti-imperialists for imperialists and mixed up the nazis with the victims because you have swallowed the western narrative.
If everything you said was factually true, then you're right I should be.
Well then you should educate yourself as to what is factually true because everything I said was just that. You seem aware enough that you should know that one can not trust western sources if they want to have any idea what is really going on. Yet your responses here seem to indicate that that's exactly what you've done: trusted the propaganda put out by the imperialist world hegemon.
I will remember to search for news on "the neo-nazi Ukrainian regime" in the future for unbiased information lmao.
Then what do your responses indicate?
I will fully admit it is possible I've been exposed to too much western propaganda, but you're clearly not the one to talk here when it comes to depropaganzing ourselves.
Russia has propaganda too.
Unless you live in Russia, it's basically impossible for someone's views to be determined just by Russian propaganda. We are submerged in Western liberal hegemony. Any kind of worldview we develop is going to be related to that liberal hegemony and the narratives it presents. At worst, we might overreact to the propaganda by deliberately swallowing the Russian narrative, but I think that it's also not true that we are uncritically following the Russian narrative (even when it's a lot closer to the reality I've surmised than the Western liberal narrative) where Russia is the beacon of traditional Western value against the woke, perverted West. That's also trash. We prefer to stick to analyzing material reality and the facts on the ground, not vibes.
Also, in my own comments I think I've done a good job of showing that there has been, indeed, a fascist coup of Ukraine in 2014, that was ethnically cleansing Russian speaking minorities and threatens all the same minorities that nazis always threaten. I showed you that while primarily citing liberal Western media like CNN, NBC, and the BBC. If those sources are too pro-Russian, then what sources can we use to get a level-headed assessment of the situation?
Perfect. Yes and I will take the opposite for myself. At worst I might swallow the mainstream western narrative but its not true that I think uncritically and I fact I actively seek out alternative information just like in this conversation.
When we went through it, the people you had claimed were being ethnically cleansed from what I saw turned out to be armed Russian proxies who had been fighting in Donetsk for 2 years (2014) before Ukraine bombed them (article from 2016).
You've provided evidence there was collateral damage when Ukraine was fighting a separation/civil war instigated by the Russian invasion in 2014. Not that minorities were targeted or that ethnic cleansing took place.
You didn't provide evidence there was a fascist coup, in fact the opposite? You suggested there was an American backed coup to install American friendly people in power (Victoria Nyland)?
And btw, everyone padding adjectives into everything is driving me nuts.
Sometimes the discussion breaks down to "The neo nazi Ukrainian regime pulled a fascist coup and you're too propagandized to see it"
Can't you just say "the Ukrainian government pulled a coup"?