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Ok so you basically want unregulated immigration and think that any attempts to stop it is nazi-adjacent, or just straight up nazi behaviour.

Nice strawman! Where did you buy it? I usually get mine at Aldi's, but I've recently wondered whether I should switch up.

On a more serious note: Of course, immigration should be controlled. It should not be cut off though.

Way to argue in bad faith. People can be “illegal immigrants” which is what is being discussed.

Absolutely in good faith. There's a reason why the phrasing "illegal immigrant" was coined: It's a derogatory term to criminalize people who are usually fleeing their home countries. And often enough, it's even shortened to "illegals", making the intended dehumanization even more obvious.

Making a process for asylum seekers to get approval to enter the country before entering the country isn’t “removing rights of asylum seekers for due process” in any way.

Now that's a bad-faith argument! Again, that process usually centers around "welcome centers" or whatever the euphemism du jour is, in other words: offshored internment camps. I suspect there may be reasons why Italy's Albanian camp project and the UK's Rwandan camp project were each struck down by courts multiple times. Notably, cost projection for both of these were rather interesting too. But gotta make someone rich in the process, right?

You mean the MS-13 gang member who has lived in the country illegally for 13 years without any attempt to become a legal citizen, who had twice been ordered to be deported back to his home country, where he now is?

Don't know the specific case; is that the case with the photoshopped knuckle tattoo though?

In any case, I was referring the sort of average profile of a person that ends up getting deported. Statistically, the chances of the deported being violent criminals is becoming much lower, the higher the number of deportations. And that's pretty logical: most people are not actually criminal, and if you're just deporting to juice the stats, you'll obviously deport the people you can arrest easily. Deportations are a shit tool if your goal is justice or safety, and they are extremely easy to abuse.

I know someone who was nearly deported and who does live in constant fear of deportation. They are not allowed to take a job, are completely dependent on the welfare, they feel absolutely miserable all the time, and they are certainly not a career criminal.

Like I said, your position is that all immigration should be legal.

Lol. "Like I said, your position is", even to you that wording should be cue.

Cool story

So you didn’t get the point that was being made, or you have no way to refute it?

Your experience as a landlord seemed irrelevant to the topic.

It’s no wonder why you claim that a party who want to control immigration are Nazis and should be banned from becoming too popular.

Shall we recap this discussion between the two of us?

• You called people who are in favor of disbanding the Afd party "nazis" and "fascists".
• I named a number of policy positions held by this party and its representatives that are in fact putting them fairly close to historic Nazism.
• I asked whether these sorts of positions were positions that could reasonably be called democratic.
• You claimed that your comment was being distorted by my listing of their policy. (Also that you were being called a nazi. Actually, where?)
• When we were done with that, you picked one of the policy items and tried to disect it.
• We've been conversing about the finer legal details of pointlessly hurting and, in effect, often killing, people since.
• Now you feel you've reduced ad absurdo enough and built yourself a few strawmen.
• You claim that I am a nazi (capital N?).

I'd still love to know, what you think of the positions that I wrote up above. Just take them at face value. Are those positions of a normal democratic party that should remain allowed?

I am copying what I wrote above again:

the people who want everyone with the wrong kind of mustache to be deported, who want citizenships revoked, who want to "remove the outmoded political party system", who are already obstructing the judicial system in Thuringia, who want to defund public media because it's "too woke", who want to gut universities because they are "too woke", who want to fuck up the environment because - guess what - also "woke", and who want to overthrow the constitutional order