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Libs will never forgive Joey Steel for saving the world from fascism stalin-cig

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

There are a lot of anarcho-bidenist types (like @[email protected] ) who consider themselves to oppose all the evil states including their own, declaring that they cannot be chauvinists because they disavow the US, while uncritically parroting State Department views on its enemies. That doesn't matter to them because they are calling all entities involved "bad," while some nebulous people are what is "good," and these people must exist as a third camp to the feuds between the bad empires (don't think too hard about what constitutes an empire, btw).

These ones are just liars.

Engels is speaking in a somewhat different context, but you can see over and over a refusal to examine these "bad" entities more closely, to understand how they work and why they have survived except by the most generic gestures towards tyranny.

It is again a rather religious behaviour. One that seems more like faith in a coming salvation rather than making salvation for themselves. Anyone actually trying to make salvation is to be rejected as not having the correct faith.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

These ones are just liars.

How do you know?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

while uncritically parroting State Department views on its enemies

For this reason.

Ultimately they are either self-aware liars or oblivious to the nationalism that lies within them. One way or another this is nationalist behaviour. The internationalists don't have such blatantly obvious national loyalties.

The key to unlocking these people is breaking the religious faith, and breaking the national loyalty that they lack consciousness of. They have a false consciousness.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fair enough. How would you say that one could break such a person's religious faith, as you put it?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

If I had that answer we'd be well on the way to revolution. If we break this wall the sheer numbers that marxists gain as allies skyrocket, you've seen how it is.

I don't know about the religious faith part yet, but we don't do much at all to promote internationalism or break this nationalist mindset. I think it's a prerequisite to further advancing this crowd of people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

These ones are just liars.

I know a fair few people like this. Some are "Freinds" that I dont discuss geopolitics with to avoid arguments. My experience with them is that its a pretty sincerely held belief. Not cynical at all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah I don't believe the descriptioned types either.