I had basically given up on electoralism for years at this point.
I do not believe the western working class by and large has any revolutionary potential, basically JDPON-pilled.
But the genocide in Palestine really made me more invested in this whole dog and pony show again.
I guess I figured like…sure bourgeoise democracy will not bring about socialism, but at the very least you can still get some concessions potentially out of it.
Perhaps I was naive, but like…I wanted to hope there was some way the Democrats could be convinced to stop it by November, even if it was electoralist bullshit I feel like the Palestinians deserved (and still deserve) even a futile attempt.
But seeing the shit with the DSA, especially the SMC and Groundwork caucuses, seeing unions who oppose the genocide endorse Biden/Harris right out the gate, seeing the Uncommitted movement do the same while the Harris campaign has done nothing but spit in their face….
I am filled with a helpless rage.
Americans are the most pathetic contemptible creatures on this earth.
I’M NOT EVEN ASKING FOR SOCIALISM! ALL I’M ASKING FOR IS THE DEMOCRATS TO COME AROUND ON AN ISSUE 77% OF DEMOCRATS AND 61% OF AMERICANS OPPOSE!
BUT EVEN THAT IS TOO MUCH, TOO HARD FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO FIGHT FOR EVEN WHEN IT IS ALLEDGELY THEIR WHOLE REASON FOR EXISTING!!
I knew Americans were useless and selfish, and short-sighted and stupid…but I didn’t think they were to this extent.
That was my mistake I guess.
Here's another lib who thinks you shouldn't protest someone over genocide because hypothetically Trump would be worse.
Do you still believe they're bitter enemies even though Kamala called Trump after the latest sad excuse for a shooter and condemned political violence? They're more like the face and heel in pro wrestling than anything.
I don't think they're enemies. I think their policies on Israel would be nearly identical, except Trump would be slightly more corrupt and incompetent. It's just hard to threaten to withhold a vote when there's no alternative.
unless he wins a state by one vote, it makes no difference. If he wins by multiple votes, specifically due to low turnout from low enthusiasm for Harris, then it's her fault as a candidate for not appealing to the electorate.
Yeah, it would absolutely be her fault. Wouldn't help Palestine much though...
Her winning wouldn’t either, by her own admission.
No, I agree. I think that Palestine isn't the only issue that matters, though, and she'd be different than Trump on a lot of other issues. Female reproductive health, appointing judges, having a working FTC and FCC. So if I'm going to withold my vote to help Palestine, I'd like some reason to believe it would actually help them.
motherfucker just look at all the fucking nothing Biden has done on that. Roe v Wade overturned on his watch and the only response was.... nothing! Telling you to fucking vote! He's already in fucking office, stupid!
christ your fucking lemmy instance is rivaled only by that stupid fucking star wars one for random ass shitlibbery
I've tried using this line of argument on a lib (my mother). It doesn't work. Her response was "Biden is super catholic and had a hard time even saying the word 'abortion'. Kamala is a pro-choice woman, so of course she'll be better about reproductive rights." In my mind that response is almost delusional, it's clear to me that abortion is too potent a political football to ever be truly "solved". Democrats will pay lip-service to it to gain votes and then do fucking nothing to protect reproductive rights. But in the lib mind, since Kamala is a "progressive" (ha) woman, abortion rights are as good as saved, even though we've had a democrat in office for the last four years and reproductive rights are more under threat than they've ever been.
I don't know how to get through to people, I think sometimes you just can't.
Has Kamala even said she'll do anything about abortion? Like we all know Obama lied about codifying Roe to gain votes, but she hasn't even gone that far AFAIK.
You're implying that me voting for Harris would help Palestine, but in the scenario I just laid out, my vote is not enough to have changed the outcome!