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No clue where the down votes are from.
Probably from people who aren't out of their minds?
The west bank wasn't under control of Hamas... And what did they get? Israel dismantled the settlements in Gaza, not in the West Bank. Is there a Palestinian state in the West Bank? There's fuck all. That's what the Palestinians over there got for no Hamas: settlers that take their land and even less authority over their lands.
That only happens because there is no agreement to create Palestine to establish clearly where Israel ends and Palestine starts. Who opposes that? Hamas and neofascist settlers. They feed each other to make sure that there is no solution, so hamas can still aim for its goal of destroying Israel and the fascists in Israel can keep taking advantage of the legal limbo of undefined borders.
Hamas just needs to accept that they won't go to hell for accepting that Israel is not going anywhere and Israel just needs to return to its 1967 borders and recall all the illegal settlers, then they can move onto progressively returning full sovereignty to Palestine provided no more attacks are launched from there.
Dude, Arafat recognised Israel in '93 as head of the PLO. All that would have been left was this:
Guess what they didn't.
Your simple "all that would need to be done" remark was fulfilled by the Palestinians 30 years ago. This whole argument of "Hamas just needs to recognise Israel" is literally decades behind, we've been there but Israel just didn't do their part. I'm not saying Hamas isn't a terrorist bunch of fucks and the October 7th attacks were obviously vile, inhumane terror. But your "solution" was already unilaterally rejected by Israel, so please come up with something better if you're seriously suggesting this "both sides need to calm down" crap.